Who Loves JEA?

[ChriswUfGator]

I'm not interested in smoke and mirrors Tufsu, I'm comparing combined (actual) rates to combined (actual) rates. If JEA is raising their fees and surcharges, or raising the fuel surcharge, and then touting the base rate as being low when the combined rate is astronomical, what is this possibly accomplishing besides for misleading the public? I already looked at those OUC rates, and the combined rate is lower than JEA's $0.124 /kWh.

[ChriswUfGator]

So in essence what you're saying is that when you advertise, you should just throw the big number out there and just let it fly?

When you purchase anything - there is a listed cost and an actual cost - do you ever see the actual cost in the Sunday paper?  Hell no, and why should JEA or any other gov't agency do it.  The bills are transparent, they're not hiding anything so I don't see what all the fuss is over what they say it costs and what you pay.

Back to another discussion we had on the courthouse regarding re-use and buying new - the listed cost of recycling is $0 but the actual cost ends up being more (in many cases) than if you would have purchased new, but the Green Men sold you on the $0.

I'm of the opinion that JEA is just the same.  The point that keeps getting brough up is why don't they blow it all up and start fresh - yeah, the same train of though of JEA sux.  Another point someone brought up is the lack of an actual competitor - I've got one question, "How is the competition going to get the power to your house?"  For there to be competition, they would require infrastructure that's non-existant.  So I think we can put that idea to bed as well.

Since we all agree that we hate paying the bills, I think that most of us realize that our electric bills are like taxes, we can stop paying them when we die or exit the grid.

This isn't a sleazy used car lot, where you have to spend an hour reading every letter of the paperwork so you can haggle over the dealer fee, destination fee, prep fee, detail fee, $600 pinstripes, etc. JEA is a large publicly owned monopoly, it shouldn't be engaging in used car lot'esque deceptive advertising, claiming its rates are the lowest when they're the highest.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

I'm not interested in smoke and mirrors Tufsu, I'm comparing combined (actual) rates to combined (actual) rates. If JEA is raising their fees and surcharges, or raising the fuel surcharge, and then touting the base rate as being low when the combined rate is astronomical, what is this possibly accomplishing besides for misleading the public? I already looked at those OUC rates, and the combined rate is lower than JEA's $0.124 /kWh.

Really, because the bill you posted here is less than what you'd pay for the same service in Orlando - $243.07

Sorry, I guess someone had to do the math for you.

Edit - you saved $8.22 with JEA this month.

[ChriswUfGator]

I'm not interested in smoke and mirrors Tufsu, I'm comparing combined (actual) rates to combined (actual) rates. If JEA is raising their fees and surcharges, or raising the fuel surcharge, and then touting the base rate as being low when the combined rate is astronomical, what is this possibly accomplishing besides for misleading the public? I already looked at those OUC rates, and the combined rate is lower than JEA's $0.124 /kWh.

Really, because the bill you posted here is less than what you'd pay for the same service in Orlando - $243.07

Sorry, I guess someone had to do the math for you.

Don't put your Mattel My First Calculator away yet, lol...might want to check that math again.

Because JEA is higher than OUC on its combined rate, as the figures plainly show had you bothered to read them.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

I'll go one step further:

1k kwh @ 11.182  =  111.82

+

935 kwh @ 13.182  =  123.25
+

$8

=

$243.07

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

Don't put your Mattel My First Calculator away yet, lol...might want to check that math again.

Because JEA is higher than OUC on its combined rate, as the figures plainly show had you bothered to read them.

I keep it next to my animal sounds reference catalog - spin & say.

[ChriswUfGator]

I'll go one step further:

1k kwh @ 11.182  =  11.82

+

935 kwh @ 13.182  =  123.25
+

$8

=

$243.07

Right. OUC = $0.111 p/kWh. JEA = $0.124 p/kWh. Which one's higher? Told you not to put away that calculator yet.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

Right. OUC = $0.111 p/kWh. JEA = $0.124 p/kWh. Which one's higher? Told you not to put away that calculator yet.

I keep coming up with .1256 for Orlando & .1214 for Jax.

Maybe you should borrow my calculator.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

While you're trying to figure out how to right the ship, I think you should check your credit card invoices for those APR increases:  X APR until your balance reaches Y

Or maybe your car lease paperwork:  X per mile for Y miles, then Z after

Or maybe your local strip club:  lap dances are $5 for the first two then everyone after that is $25

We know you only went to Solid Gold because of the $5 dollar lap dances, and now you want to shut 'em down because you feel hoodwinked when they started charging you $25.  "Why didn't they just say they were $25, this is bullshit."

.....I think I'm done now.

[ChriswUfGator]

Well Westsider, JEA itself admits to $0.1237 p/kWh;

http://www.jea.com/services/electric/rates_quarterly.asp

And Orlando is $0.11 as it plainly states here;

http://www.ouc.com/Libraries/OUCDocuments/res_er_ouc_rate_tariff.sflb.ashx

The document I just posted is the actual certified tariff rate they filed with the state, the sheet you posted is just an estimate on their website. The tariff rate is what they must charge by law. That Mattel calculator must need some new batteries.

[ChriswUfGator]

While you're trying to figure out how to right the ship, I think you should check your credit card invoices for those APR increases:  X APR until your balance reaches Y

Or maybe your car lease paperwork:  X per mile for Y miles, then Z after

Or maybe your local strip club:  lap dances are $5 for the first two then everyone after that is $25

We know you only went to Solid Gold because of the $5 dollar lap dances, and now you want to shut 'em down because you feel hoodwinked when they started charging you $25.  "Why didn't they just say they were $25, this is bullshit."

.....I think I'm done now.

I got burned on excess mileage on a lease 10 years ago and woudn't lease a car again. I've just bought everything outright since then. Your strip club example made me chuckle though, I gotta admit you do have a funny sense of humor. That certainly comes in handy when the JEA bill comes in the mail.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

OK, so we're both correct, in a wierd twisted way.

I'm basing this off of your bill BTW,

If you would just go to sleep and lay off the internet porn and hot showers at night, you might keep you usage down to 1000 kwh or below - then you WOULD ONLY be paying the 11.182 per.

But since you have the demons that you feel the need to exorcise nightly, then you runneth over the limit set by OUC at 1000 and now they get to stick it to you at 13.182 per for 935 kwh's

In your reality (mine too) it's cheaper to pay the higher Jacksonville rate - because there's no way in hell that you or I will ever be below 1000 kwh in a month.

[uptowngirl]

JEA could take some simple steps to address most of these issues:

Clear and concise billing statements, actually reading the meter and charging ONLY for actual usage

Reasonable Deposits- Banking regulations have recently changed on how much a bank can charge you for a overdrawn account, mortgage fees (also regulated) provide a 15 day grace period with a late fee chargeable, but not three months worth of mortgage payments due as a deposit and certainly not immediate foreclosure proceedings because you missed one month (unlike disconnection at JEA for non payment of deposits)

Clearly delineate on bills with something like "your contribution to the city coffers" JAX should stop touting how cheap their taxes are then hide them all over the place!

Billing practices need to be looked at and regulated similar to the banking/mortgage industry (in CA it is, including increases each year, since there is no competition). Everyone likes to slam them for being money Hungary parasites, but some seem to think that is perfectly fine for a public utilities- huh?

[tufsu1]

even if JEA did all that, people would still complain about the rates....like they do in every community I've lived in!

[Garden guy]

Personally i'm sick of the waist i see everyday...about a week ago my neighbor was having his water cut off..the man arrived and sat for 45 min in front of the house..got out..did his thing..then returned to sit for another 25 min..and then left...in that time he had called and made the overlooked payment...it took 6 more hours without water for the water man to return...it took sitting in front of the house another hour to turn the water back on...which is only the turn of a knob in the front yard and takes about 15 seconds to do...this is just a taste of the waiste...