Riots break out at Pittsburg State. Students trapped, gassed and beaten

[NotNow]

You do not seem to have a very good understanding of:

1. The U. S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights
2. The First Amendment, specifically and the case law surrounding it
3. Fascism
4. My politics
5. Police discipline

When a "protest" degenerates into a "riot" and property is destroyed or lives are threatened, then the Police are expected to act.  Other persons besides those involved in the incident, residents, property owners, etc., have rights as well.  The streets do not belong to you either, they belong to all of us and we have civilized rules on our behavior on them, and Police to enforce those rules.  If "kids" want to complain to (my? there you go again StephenDare! Inflammatory language) "one world" G20 leaders they can peacefully protest, which has been going on all week in Pittsburgh.  Your emotional response indicates that you may need to pull back and take a few breaths on this one. 

[Ocklawaha]

Wow.  New World Order.  Beast Kingdom.  Mark of the Beast.  One World Government.  It's all almost here.  Wonder what the new world will really be like.  We'll all sport microchips and won't be able to eat, buy or sell without them.  No privacy, they'll know what you're thinking, where you're going, and certainly who you are without ever meeting you.  Think I'm crazy?  Wait a year or two.

Heights Unknown

That's okay Heights, I'm right there with you... Just as crazy? Maybe Have you read the books The Bible Code, and Bible Code II? Wow! All we can do is ride it out and see what happens. If we roll through 2012 untouched, then I might agree this planet has more time on the clock, but so many voices, disconnected from the Bible or any other source, all calling for the same year? Weird.

Ever think about the Bible prophecy's of, as you said, not being able to buy, sell, trade, without your ID chip. Nothing "evil" about a little chip, great idea, no theft, no robbery's, no forgery's, universal, international, and apparently straight out of hell for control. Forget it, I'll starve somewhere South of Leticia, Colombia.

The END IS NEAR, don't be caught dead without your program!

OCKLAWAHA

[NotNow]

There is no such announcement on the official website.  Could you guide me to the announcement and who made it?  The video shows very little.  The tag of the vehicle is not exposed.  I don't see any handcuffs or weapons on the uniformed men.  The tactics displayed are not those of any trained Police Officer.  Why would these guys perform such an arrest and the next video show uniformed Police in what appears to be the same area performing exactly as I would expect them to?  If these are LEO's, they are not identified as such and the procedures used would seem to be quite difficult to justify in court.

[BridgeTroll]

many of them just students that were unaware there was even a protest going on.

Oh sure...

heavily armed psychotics to encircle and engage the American people.

What is the history of protestors at previous G20 summits?  Mr Obama's need for security at the summit in his own country was handled effectively and relatively peaceably.  The protesters could have been just as effective with a sit in... yet decided to test security.  Looks like non lethal methods of riot control worked very effectively.

[BridgeTroll]

To claim the students had no idea a protest was going on is silly.  ALLLLLL of Pittsburgh is well aware of it.  To claim law enforcement is psychotic is overly dramatic.  The article is hyperbole pure and simple...

[sheclown]

Anyone who was alive during Kent State would be HORRIFIED.  Kent State changed our world FOREVER.

[NotNow]

      “Falsehood is cowardice, the truth courage.” - H. Ballou

[NotNow]

Time will tell.  My view is that the agenda that you are advancing through exaggeration is easily seen through by the public.

[NotNow]

The "view" that you are projecting is one of promoting a false view of the legal authorities of the United States.  At best exaggeration and at worst outright lying is completely acceptable to most of those involved in this activity. 

I find it laughable that you would presume to lecture me about my oath.  You have no credibility. 

Your opinion of the Police in this country is well known.  Luckily, you belong to a very small minority.  The tactics employed by those of you who participate in the constant criticism of anything "Christian", "traditional", "American Institution", or "law enforcement" ensures that you will ALWAYS be a small minority.

[buckethead]

Well Stephen if you read what you just posted, it ensures the right to "peaceful" protest.

The video you included shows police in a defensive posture, and some hoodies thowing objects an rolling dumpsters downhill in their direction, they do it from the security of the syudent rans, which are primarily just observers. I'm just not seeing any atrocities by the police here. I do see photographers seemingly antagonizing police and protesters alike.

[buckethead]

They were peacefully assembling when the police robot came in and ordered everyone to leave or be subject to pain inducement.

Sounds kinda like our system of taxing income.

[NotNow]

As usual, you want to go personal StephenDare!.  And upon my first read of your post, I am tempted to follow suit.  However, I have promised others on this board that I would attempt to control these exchanges, as it is apparent that you cannot.

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my opinion of the police has barely been stated, actually.  My opinion of your opinion of the police should be obvious.  You think its ok to murder citizens on the basis of police safety.

"\The fallacy of your argument here is obvious.  Another ad hominem attack by StephenDare!.  I am sure that no one is surprised.  Do you really think insulting others convinces anyone of your arguments?

You also apparently think that cops founded the country, and were unaware that there were no municipal police until the 1840s, and even then they weren't particularly widespread.

Your continuing reference to your internet search on "municipal police" is just....childish?....sad?  And of course, don't miss an opportunity to insult me.  I like to think that I am pretty well educated on the history of this country and of course, again, the ad hominem attack.  Nice.

I for one, and sick of hearing you cite 'standard procedure' over ever police killing, even when you do not know the details.  This, my friend, leaves you with no credibility.

Well, since I am the one between us who actually knows police procedure, then it is only logical that I inform you when you make incorrect assumptions.  Often, I DO know the details, although I cannot post about them here in many cases.  The truth here is that it just angers you that FACTS do not support your outlandish arguments, thus you attack the source of those facts.

Just as your original claims that this was a hoax, ended up not being credible, and for the same reason.

My statements about the first videos and the inflammatory titles stands.  No one was "gassed" or "beaten".  My statement on the "snatching" video was that it looked fake, and I still believe that.  I also stated that for Law Enforcement to operate in camo without identification , no handcuffs, no visible weapons, and no protective equipment is VERY unusual and I stand by those statements.  I have still not seen an "official" statement that the video is Law Enforcement, only the news report of such.  If the men in the video are LEO's, then they are going to have a bad day in court.  Ask any Cop.  I cannot tell you how little your opinion of my credibility means to me.

This country was a revolutionary, radical democracy my friend. It was founded by liberals, for liberals, and it was liberals that made it possible for your fraternal order of police to be able to bargain like a union.

Interesting view.  You are quite fascinated by the FOP, aren't you?

I am the traditional american.  The point of view you represent is not.

Traditional Americans capitalize America  .

I do not confuse murdering abortion doctors, or shooting up church congregations with Christianity.   Apparently, you do.

Again with the attacks.  Of course, I have never made any such statements, why do you do this?  StephenDare!...credibility does NOT equal making stuff up.  (Isn't that what you constantly accuse me of?)

I find it laughable that you took an oath based on a document that you dont apparently believe in, if we are going to get right down to it.

Just for clarification, have you read the Constitution lately?  Do you remember the freedom of assembly part of the Bill of Rights?

If you don't like this country, or its laws and traditions, and you have no respect for our Constitution, why stay here?

(This is the part where I must control myself.)  StephenDare!, I have sworn two oaths on the U. S. Constitution.  One was as a much younger man upon joining the military forces of the U.S.  I spent many years serving my country in the military and I believe it to be an honor to be allowed to do so.  I once again swore an oath upon becoming a Law Enforcement Officer, a calling that few have the opportunity to answer and again, I have been honored to be able to do so and to serve with some of the finest men and women that I have known in my life.  In doing these things I have made many sacrafices that I won't bore those present here with, but I will say that I certainly have learned that insults from a certain segment of our society mean that I am doing my job.  Rest assured that I have not only read the U. S. Constitution many times (It is framed in my home), I have put in hours of classroom study  on the document, I have defended it, I have put everything that I have ever had and everything that I will ever have on the line for the principles in the document.   One of us stands for the laws and traditions of our country StephenDare!, and it isn't you.  I think that I would like to stay here if you don't mind?  I think I've earned my citizenship, and my right to my opinion.  I know that you will continue to attack me personally, because of the weakness of your arguments and the fallacy of your principles.  That is your right.  But you reveal more of yourself with every word and I grow more and more confident that perhaps some one is actually gaining insight through these exchanges.  That some readers begin to understand what it is that you are really trying to accomplish.  And that you and your ilk will become less and less of a blip on our political landscape.  That is as impersonal as I can write this response.  I hope that I have not personally  insulted you.  I hope that you rethink your assumptions.  I hope that you become a useful part of our American society.  But I am prepared to fight your current ideas and thinking because they are anathema to the country and weaken it before our enemies.

[NotNow]

Feel free to not defend your feelings to me.  You do not control the discussion on this board and I will continue to post as I see fit.  Your agenda is clear.  I disagree that we have equally "earned" anything.  Your "well paid and compensated" comment just makes it more clear that you have no understanding of what military service or Law Enforcement service encompasses. 

Pretending?  I have walked the walk, you are the pretender.  Man.

[NotNow]

Have a good night, StephenDare! 

[Ocklawaha]

They were peacefully assembling when the police robot came in and ordered everyone to leave or be subject to pain inducement.

I'm telling you boys and girls, as a historian, that's the federal way... If someone took an objective view of telling our history, he or she would immediately be labeled a "Pinko Commie Fag" or some other discusting label. Look at the damn record.


Tokyo Firebombing may have incinerated 200-300,000 persons, mostly women and children, meanwhile the nearby Mitsubishi Aircraft plant was churning out 500 planes a month.

In Colonial times:
Giving diseased blankets to Native Americans (germ warfare)
Wars of extermination on all native Americans.
Invading and stealing Florida from Spain, then making nice to CYA.
War with Mexico? My Great, Great uncle was Winfield Scott, all Americans that fought for Mexico were lined up along a wall and murdered...Visit Mexico City, see the monument!
War of Yankee Aggression? Lincoln, Sherman, Sheridan, Wells, Grant, and Custer, could have all hung as war criminals, as some of the FEDERAL PRISONERS suggested after the Andersonville trials.
Wounded Knee? We don't allow unarmed dancing in a canyon under penalty of DEATH.
Black Kettle? Sign the treaty, fly the flag, bring in your neighbors to the great father in DC and be massacred to the last baby in arms.
Spanish American War? The Maine appears to have exploded from the inside out! Boiler anyone?
Colombian Civil War! All of the Americas have a right to self determination, so lets steal Panama and build a canal... All of the America's except: Florida, Georgia, Virginia, Alabama etc...
WWI? What more could the Germans have done to tell our people that we were breaking international law and sending weapons to the UK? Hell they even took out full page ads DONT SAIL!
League of Nations/Naval Arms Limitations. What was with the ratios of Japan, UK and US naval forces set at 3 - 5 - 5? Japan had been our WWI Allies.
WWII? Japan didn't quit because of an atomic bomb, rather the inhumane fire bombing of the major cities that killed hundreds of thousands of civilians in CIVILIAN TARGETS!
The others are a little too fresh on my mind to go there right now. Hey, I'm as RED, WHITE, AND BLUE, as the rest of you... But open your eyes, it's a different view from across the pond.

We have a great nation, but it's the whistle blowers that keep power hungry megalomaniacs at bay, and nothing says that someday we might not hatch our own Hitler, or Stalin.

OCKLAWAHA