Jax vs AZ

coredumped · September 21, 2009, 10:24:02 PM

Well said Coolyfett!

KenFSU · September 21, 2009, 11:25:56 PM

To me, the Jaguars seem to be in a position unique to the NFL. Best-case scenarios and altruism aside, I think the Jags need to be a playoff contender in order to succeed in Jacksonville, especially in this economy. When you factor in all of the transplants in this market, the relatively young age of the franchise, the fair weather nature of most sports fans in Florida (Bucs aside), and the diminutive size of the market relative other NFL cities, I think that's the reality of the situation. While other larger markets can get away with, say, one out of every fifty fans buying a ticket to the game, Jacksonville needs a much higher amount per-capita. You can argue the definition of true fandom and the NFL experience until the cows come home, but I question whether the city of Jacksonville can support a perpetual loser. It hasn't been proven yet. I have no doubt that a winning team that the city is excited about will fill the stadium (not enough to get the scalpers rich, but enough to avoid blackouts), but until we get a few generations deep, realistically, I think it's going to be really difficult to avoid blackouts with a losing team. That's why, to me, if the Jags are going to make a move (like a coaching change), it needs to come sooner than later. Not two games into the season, but if we find ourselves moving toward 0-5 territory, you can't afford to wait until next season. Not in this market. The Jags need to win sooner than later. It's just the reality of the situation.

mtraininjax · September 21, 2009, 11:30:00 PM

Do you know what light rail and the Jags have in common, neither will be built into the caliber the people of Jax want to see in the next 10 years. LOL!

KenFSU · September 21, 2009, 11:38:07 PM

Quote from: mtraininjax on September 21, 2009, 11:30:00 PM
Do you know what light rail and the Jags have in common, neither will be built into the caliber the people of Jax want to see in the next 10 years. LOL!

Actually, it might gives the Jags a unique advantage when a billion dollar elevated BRT line inevitably finds itself placed directly down the middle of the field. If there's one thing this city has, it's Vision~!

Keith-N-Jax · September 21, 2009, 11:39:07 PM

Yeah your right. You ever think about working for TU, would be a great fit for you.(mtrain)

mtraininjax · September 21, 2009, 11:40:52 PM

QuoteActually, it might gives the Jags a unique advantage when a billion dollar elevated BRT line inevitably finds itself placed directly down the middle of the field. If there's one thing this city has, it's Vision~!

That is the funniest thing I have ever heard on this blog!!!! LOL!

KenFSU · September 21, 2009, 11:48:06 PM

Quote from: mtraininjax on September 21, 2009, 11:40:52 PM
QuoteActually, it might gives the Jags a unique advantage when a billion dollar elevated BRT line inevitably finds itself placed directly down the middle of the field. If there's one thing this city has, it's Vision~!

That is the funniest thing I have ever heard on this blog!!!! LOL!

The best part is that the line probably wouldn't have an exit for the stadium. You'd have to exit onto the Main Street Bridge, leap from the bus, and hope to have your fall cushioned by one of the mayor's hot dog carts.

winthropf · September 21, 2009, 11:54:49 PM

You decided on Detroit and Cleveland to compare as Losers... (Detroit & Cleveland have 4 NFL Championships a piece... since you decided to cut it off 45 years ago, you discount both teams traditions, winning seasons and in some accounts dominance of the rest of the league).

I find it very difficult to accept an argument that says a team needs to lose. In fact a winning or losing record doesn't speaking anything for a fanbase or city being winners or losers, it speaks to whether a bunch of high paid (notice I didn't say over paid... players are worth whatever someone chooses to pay them) professional football players are winners or losers.

This all sounds like an old comedy routine.... Dana Carvey's group old man, right?
"In My Day, our NFL teams didn't win... and WE LIKED IT! WE LOVED IT!"

Shwaz · September 22, 2009, 09:22:57 AM

Fair-weather fans think this is some kind of Polish standoff between them & Weaver... and the attitude is worse than these "over-paid" players. What you think you deserve is unrealistic. It's proven all over the league at every lost home game with full stands. If Jacksonville can't figure this out.... than we are just a hick town that deserves to not have a professional sports team.

Wacca Pilatka · September 22, 2009, 05:31:58 PM

Quote from: DavidWilliams on September 21, 2009, 07:44:02 PM
I know that Del Rio has been given this year as "rebuilding" mode (on top of the fat contract he got not too long ago). Listening to the sports pundits today, I am starting to agree a bit that perhaps he shouldn't stay much longer. One playoff win in seven years? That's a long time in today's NFL. Not good. He has had a revolving door of coordinators/assistants over that time and still the same product. Those in the "know" say it would be disastrous to fire him during the season (especially early in the season) but, with the current fan climate (ie disastrous ticket sales) it would be interesting to see if they could bring in a proven commodity like Cowher. I think he will resurface somewhere. By all accounts, yesterday was a low point in team history. About 10,000 asses in the seats in the second half for what was once an NFL hungry city.

Well, it wasn't quite that awful; I was there to the end and there were well more than 10,000 around for the second half, though there was an exodus in the third quarter. There was even some buzz and some good crowd noise (for what amount of a crowd there was) when the Jags made their comeback attempt, leading up to Hughes' tragic drop in the end zone.

Despite the bad performance, I am proud to have flown down from Va for the game and yelled until I had no voice left all through the game, and to have bought my usual cornucopia of Jags merchandise. I'll be standing there until the bitter end, but I hope that end is not at hand anytime in my lifetime.

mtraininjax · September 23, 2009, 04:08:25 AM

Sam Kouvaris has a great take on the latest game in this early season. He said he's known Weaver since the beginning and he takes losing personally, as we all do. This is Del Rio's last year if he has a losing season, contract or no contract, Weaver will not take another losing season with him.

http://www.news4jax.com/sports/21037244/detail.html

Keith-N-Jax · September 23, 2009, 06:29:13 AM

Good article. I guess JDR thinks he can win every game 12 to 9. Well when the opponent scores 31 then what do you. Pretend your Ben, Brady, or Manning in a 2 min offense. Did anyone see how much time ran off the clock when DG got sacked, before someone had sense to call a TO. I was like WOW this team is clueless and lost. What I saw was the same ol same ol run, run, dump to MJD, dropped pass, 3rd down, punt. We know the team is rebuilding, but Sunday, that wasn't an NFL team out there nor coach. I'll be glad when fall weather gets here because its seems even hotter out there when you've watched what we witnessed Last Sunday!!!

copperfiend · September 23, 2009, 07:52:50 AM

JDR will be gone after this year. Weaver can't get 40k for each game and keep everything status quo. I think Gene Smith brings in his own coach. It would likely be a young, offensive minded coach. Somebody in the Sean Payton/Josh McDaniel mold. I was thinking Stanford coach Jim Harbaugh would be a nice to consider. I also think the Jaguars draft a QB early but it won't be Tebow.

cdb · September 23, 2009, 08:46:07 AM

Jags definitely need to keep making moves in the off season, new coach and a new QB are a must. Stir some emotion back up in this city, other than the normal "Jags Suck" attitude.....