Waterboarded 183 Times in One Month. Torture Issue Blows Up.

Started by stephendare, April 19, 2009, 11:25:23 AM

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#105
June 02, 2009, 01:10:57 PM
Whatever, Stephen. This is your topic that you started relating to waterboarding and interrogations of terrorists that will do us harm.  I'm sticking to the topic and you are not.  Please stay on track.  If you wish to discuss other things, just start another thread.

By the way:

Poll: Most oppose closing Gitmo

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2009-06-01-gitmo_N.htm
"The learned Fool writes his Nonsense in better Language than the unlearned; but still 'tis Nonsense."  --Ben Franklin 1754

NotNow

#106
June 10, 2009, 01:33:15 PM
And I have not commented again in this thread, Stephen Dare!  Leave me out of this, you are either an ignorant tool or a liar.  I'm leaning towards both.
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NotNow

#107
June 10, 2009, 01:54:57 PM
Lying is not, apparently.  I will again drop out of this thread and you can continue to say stupid things if you would like.  If you comment to me, I will answer and will point out the kind of screwy crap you come up with, like drilling knees....geez.  You really have no idea, do you?
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NotNow

#108
June 10, 2009, 02:13:22 PM
No, I was talking about the board.  I couldn't believe that anyone with sense would allow you to get away with some of the things you were doing.  But as I would read the threads and your continuing abuse of the truth, I felt that a reasonable answer HAD to be made.  That was on the Police Pension thread, where you said I was just a worker and had no idea how things "really" worked.  Wow!  You are such a tool.  Kind of like this board, with your wealth of training and experience in military affairs, interrogations, international treaties, and the legal use of force.  You still have an eatery/playhouse open?
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NotNow

#109
August 30, 2009, 02:10:39 PM
Your stance on this issue is well known.  I stand by my statements that the sanctioned efforts of our interrogators saved American lives.  A political witchhunt by the Obama Administration will do nothing to change that.  Your giddiness at this turn of events is somewhat disturbing. 

Sincerely,
The Radical Right Wing
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NotNow

#110
August 30, 2009, 02:53:37 PM
I think that it was you that I called a liar when you repeated false statements even after you were made aware of the truth.  As for the other two, I don't believe I said (or typed) such a thing, but I was probably thinking it. 

And as I pointed out then, and I will now, your "passion" only extends to typing in coffee shops.  You know nothing of these matters or what they mean to the men and women who are actually serving all of us and putting their rear ends on the line.  I don't know you, and I don't want to speak ill of you, but the "intellectual" arrogance of some posts just amazes me. 

You just keep on typing StephenDare!, I have to go to work.
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BridgeTroll

#111
August 31, 2009, 06:50:59 AM
The truth of the matter is the FACTS are NOT in... This is what they are investigating... or witchhunting.  I wish the democrats in charge of this all the best.  I am sure it will be useful to them in the short term.
Your penchent for mis-quotation and out of context transcription shows itself again with this gem...

QuoteAnd more with the 'I have military training, therefore torture didnt happen, and if it did, it was legal!" nonsense.

As no one ever said this nonsense...

Copying and pasting quotes should suffice instead of making them up...
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

buckethead

#112
August 31, 2009, 08:00:18 AM Last Edit: August 31, 2009, 08:03:30 AM by buckethead
I would like to come out as being absolutely against all forms of torture.

With the exception of when my loved ones and friends might be kept from harm by it.

Would it have been okay to torture a Nazi leader in an attempt to save Jews from the Holocost?

Does dropping an atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki qualify as torture? What about internment camps? Did those families have their property confiscated? Is that a form of torture?

The bottom line is: There is no clear, simple answer. The military must do what it must. When such is deemed inappropriate, there should be consequences. Still no clear answer here.

The current "investigations" into alleged "torture" and war crimes reek of nothing more that political grandstanding.

I doubt there will be any meaningful convictions, as that IMO is not the desired result.

Beware the law of unintended consequences.

jaxnative

#113
August 31, 2009, 10:51:53 AM
QuoteThe current "investigations" into alleged "torture" and war crimes reek of nothing more that political grandstanding.

This is the gist of the whole matter.  Once OBamBam felt the tide of majority opinion he backed off and let the matter lay low for a while before handing it over to his henchmen in the justice department and their vindictive, pantywaist supporters in the Congress.  Nothing but a political inquisition that will do more harm than good.

DavidWilliams

#114
August 31, 2009, 10:58:25 AM
Quote from: jaxnative on August 31, 2009, 10:51:53 AM
QuoteThe current "investigations" into alleged "torture" and war crimes reek of nothing more that political grandstanding.

This is the gist of the whole matter.  Once OBamBam felt the tide of majority opinion he backed off and let the matter lay low for a while before handing it over to his henchmen in the justice department and their vindictive, pantywaist supporters in the Congress.  Nothing but a political inquisition that will do more harm than good.

...and cost millions

buckethead

#115
August 31, 2009, 11:02:56 AM
Quote from: stephendare on August 31, 2009, 10:58:15 AM
Nah.  locking up the evil doers will be a good thing.

These criminals hobbled our government to prevent themselves from going to jail.   They lied repeatedly from the moment they took office, and the destroyed the lives of millions of people overseas, and thousands of people here in our country.

No.  If the group of people that applauds shooting mexicans for breaking our border laws justifies it on crime and punishment, then they should be held to the same standard.

It will be good to see John Yoo arrested.  Cheney would be better.
Prediction: 1 will fall on the sword.

Do you think it will be Cheney?

Neither do I.

BridgeTroll

#116
August 31, 2009, 11:17:40 AM
Interesting you would equate the perpetrators of 9/11 with Bush, Cheney, and Yoo...  Anything that happened at Gitmo pales in comparison to what al queda did to 3000+ Americans in 2001... not to mention the numerous tortures and beheadings of innocent civilians since.

Interesting indeed... :(
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

BridgeTroll

#117
August 31, 2009, 12:18:30 PM
QuoteInteresting that you think one evil justifies another.

You seem to... you seem to justify the mounting deficits becuase Bush did so... How do you justify the internment of Japanese Americans?  Nuclear bombs on Japan?  The complete destruction of German cities via carpet bomb and incendieries?

Justifiable?  Under normal circumstances absolutely not... under extraordinary circumstances...?????
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

BridgeTroll

#118
August 31, 2009, 12:29:36 PM
The hallucination occurs when one compares the al queda to the Bush administration...
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

BridgeTroll

#119
August 31, 2009, 01:34:48 PM
Mr. Norquist is entitled to his opinions as are you.  The Obama administration is the one in power and has every right to do as they are.  I do not think it wise... but that is their choice.  It is designed to score political points with a certain faction that finds his other policies... um... less than they expected.  Better to throw the previous administration under the bus.  It will serve as a distraction to keep the rabid Bush haters from calling him out on his own failings.  There are plenty of who will applaud his decision... and even cheer it.  Do not be fooled into thinking there is not a good plenty of folks who will see it for what it is...
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."
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