Jacksonville conspiracy

[Bostech]

So can we say that this town is rulled by church and oil companies (Gate?)?

Seems like all downtown projects are more or less havign hard time getting developed and with that URBAN lifestyle which meas less spent gas and that equals less profits.
Same with transit development.

Only thing in Jax that gets accomplished are projects designed for suburban lifestyle and that means profit for people involved in oil business primarly but also all buisnesses related to suburban living (and they are many).
Imagine 50 people riding on public transit that automaticly takes 50 cars of street and if every car averages $10 per week,that is $500,$2000 for month or $24000...and that is only for $10 for 50 people.
I think Jax metro has about half of million of cars on street.

Everythign comes down to money and like I said nothing will change in Jacksonville in next 20 years,just get bigger and more suburban...well except traffic will get worse.

Umm but even more traffic means more profit for oil business,imagine all those cars stuck on road burning and wasting gas or just sitting on red traffic light that is not properly synchronized.
$$$$$

Now that I think of it,I should get my own gas station.

[Skot David Wilson]

Because of greed and/or stupidity, people will do things that are untimately not in their own best intertests. I hate gated communities because there should never have been a reason to have them in the first place, and those inside usually think of themselves before anyone else, ever.
The reason there are so many gray areas is because the white purity of good has been compromised by the black rot of corruption. Things are really more of a yes/no either/or thing.
While I myself am a shade of gray, I am adding Titanium Dioxide all the time, and hope the sunshine and some other elements I choose to live in and with have a bleaching effect.
YES this city is run by money over morality.
You just have to ask yourself what shade you want to be.

[Bostech]

Who?Me?
I am like gray with white dots.

[Bostech]

No,seriously how anyone in Jacksonville can expect any urban or transit development if they don't understand that city is driven by church and oil business and if that does not change or at least adjust Jacksonville will never progress with proper urban lifestyle with developed mass transit.

Everything else is just wast of time,all those reports how others cities did this or that and proposing solutions will not matter to anyone in Jax city governement.

Why would they allow functional mass transit to develop in Jacksonville if that will mean loss of profit in oil business?They will do anything either to stop it or make it disfunctional...like expensive sytem that will not solve anything over long period of time (like 20 years)..sounds familiar?

Only thing we should worry about is what brand of car to buy.
I should join Republican party  I need newer and fancier car.

[Skot David Wilson]

I would never be able to do that, see my color??
Although This is sometimes where I fall......
but never.....never ever never.....RED

[thelakelander]

Yes, Jax is run by people with a suburban minded mentality but I'm not ready to say there's a conspiracy to ruin downtown or urban development.  The suburbs are suffering just like downtown is, we just don't hear as much about it.

[Skot David Wilson]

When you have a class of people who realize that the "lower" classes can have microwaves and cable and everything they have, just less and not as nice, they want to not only be "one better", but destroy other as part of the process.
Think of this... you're a "type A" CEO or COO and you negotiate mega bucks, and go to something like Sea and Sky like we're having this weekend.
You get there in a Lexus or Benz, and someone pulls and parks next to you with a Kia that looks just as good. You see someone YOU KNOW makes way less than you, and your counterpart from "the masses" is wearing the same shirt as you, driving a car that looks like yours, and is entering the same restaurant as you.....
What is the sense of doing better and winning over the poor and lower classes?
If you can't accept that, then you want to destroy them and create a gap between you both, just because you want to feel better about yourself.... so you put pressure on the lower and especially middle classes.
It truly is not enough to get multi-mollion dollar packages and own three yachts, if Joe-Blow can bring his $30,000 Bayliner that he makes payments on right next to your $3,000,000 yacht to fuel up.
You need to step on him, keep him off "your" water... out of your clubs, and unable to eat at your restaurants....
and you don't mind a class of ultra wealthy to play golf with... but they have to earn it by birthright or favors or dirty deals as well... maybe even a few by hard work... but not by merit or quality of character.
So do they conspire to do this, or maybe unaware themselves make decisions that favor them and not us, the middle and lower classes?
Do you honestly think CEO's and Peytons and other untra-rich feel any sense of obligation to society?
Do you think they care if we have light rail shooting down JTB to save personal and social resources? Do you really feel they care if Station Five stay as a mueseum and safety teaching center for kids if their kids have to share it? Class strugle has shifted to silent mode, silent to debate or conscience or social action. They may feel "upset", write a check that is a fraction of their wealth and a week's or month's pay to someone else, and then absolve themselves of their "responsibility".
It is based on human greed, and has shifted from doing one better to knocking the next guy down, because everyone else has the ability to have similar conforts and rewards as they do.
In this post Reagan landscape, mitigated by Clinton and now excelled by Bush, it isn't rewarding just to do well, but to deny the basic comforts and luxuries now shared by those of lesser "social status"
They are unaware that they conspire, because they have no concern for those below them, so they will do everything they can to attain more wealth than they could ever use...
by denial of equality by actions and inactions to make the world better, more even for everyone, they take one more step up, upon our backs. They would extend Craig right into "protected" neighborhoods just to save an ectra 20 minute drive, make the taxpayer pay for it, and smirk on the ride home in a $80,000 car, after leaving their corporate or private jet.
But I think they don't even realize they are doing it themselves....
they don't have the ability or conscience to see it, just to do it.
When the world realizes that we all do better when everything is done right the first time then, and only then, can things ever change....
and the very few at the top that understand this, are at the top, and want to look down upon us, not in our eyes... it defeats the purpose of "winning" to them.
So I agree, but it isn't JUST the church and oil companies. It is the untra-"haves". I see so many great transit ideas on here.... things so simple to call right that a monkey could make the right choice. But remember, you are dealing with people who simply don't care about who is below them, and want the "others" to stay below them.

[Jason]

That was pretty deep.  Talk about getting to the root of the problem.

[Skot David Wilson]

Read my "Dirty Deals" post... see how much Fullwood got between Fidelity and The Hardens alone! I think they think they are doing good by dressing up their own back yard and developing to make money, but at what expense does it come???

[civil42806]

How about the concept that very few people want to live downtown, no conspiracy needed, no evil oil companies.  How about the concept that people do in fact enjoy their 1/4 to 1 acre lots , regardless of the marxist clap trap posted above, and don't want to be shoved against one another in an urban desert like downtown jax?

[comncense]

I want to live downtown... Yes, it's not right to pay attention to one and ignore the other, but you have to admit there are many options for living the suburban life in Jacksonville. You can go to any side of town and those areas are supported by the 'necessities'. Downtown Jax still lakes a decent grocery store, no late night dining options, few options for shopping and entertainment. The only 'business' that blossoms downtown right now is the Baptist church. So the question is why is downtown's lack being ignored?

[Driven1]

How about the concept that very few people want to live downtown, no conspiracy needed, no evil oil companies.  How about the concept that people do in fact enjoy their 1/4 to 1 acre lots , regardless of the marxist clap trap posted above, and don't want to be shoved against one another in an urban desert like downtown jax?

and compare our downtown to almost any downtown with a MSA population greater than 100,000 - it's pathetic.

[Ocklawaha]

Couple of OCK-VER-VATIONS

How about the concept that very few people want to live downtown, no conspiracy needed, no evil oil companies.  How about the concept that people do in fact enjoy their 1/4 to 1 acre lots , regardless of the marxist clap trap posted above, and don't want to be shoved against one another in an urban desert like downtown jax?

Oh my GOD! I'm I agreeing with civil? Yeah, I am. I'm the resident Mass Transit Monster, and love my fancy urban digs in Medellin, Colombia. Downtown Jax, with it's skyline is even more beautiful. So do I want a place in the Strand? Well... I also grew up in the deep South, Old Ortega, Ortega Forest and Yukon, stomping through nearly virgin pine woods and the Ortega River back water. My ideal? Have 20 acres somewhere out in the rolling hills as close in as possible and still wild and affordable... Middleburg maybe? Keystone? Kingsley Lake? Starke? Some place to canoe, plant a garden and lots of flowers and fruit trees. Are there any places like that on tap for our Commuter Rail? Maybe. Still a bit remote but Macclenny and even Gainesville might come into the game. That would allow me to LIVE MY DREAM and still have the urban core I love to play in.
But like Colombia, maybe a pad at the Strand and a little farm would be cool too? But I'm not rich...

As for church, what gives with the FIRST BAPTIST stuff here? Okay so they have a highly successful church, and manage to bring 15,000 people into town every week or several times a week. If these that are crying would get off their dead butts and do something about it maybe we'd be thinking of how to bring that crowd into your downtown venues??? Book stores, gift shops, family oriented entertainment, restaurants, programs that co-op with the church. Make yourselves open to the pastors and staff and let them know you'll provide the show, the dinner, the fun, whatever it takes. I don't care if this was FBC or some Unity, Jehovahs Witness, Mormon, Buddhist temple, or mosque. Be Americans and figure a way to make the great melting pot feed your family. Damn folks, last time I drove by FBC, I saw, SKYWALKS, FOUNTAINS, LIBRARY, MISSION and at 5:00 pm a host of aparent nearly-homeless came out the doors wearing staff uniforms, painters, maids, helpers etc... I wish we had another dozen FBC's downtown. First BUDDHIST, First ISLAMIC, First HEBREW... at least THERE sidewalks are clean, buildings attractive and they are following the City plans laid out back under Jake Godbolds development visions. You would do well to remember that ANY REGLIGION with a church serves as a "Hospital for Hippocrates - rather then - a Museum for Saints."

Lastly, YOU WILL BE AMAZED at the stuff that is going to roll out of JTA in the coming months, and "God Willing" I'll be part of it. Now if you really want to read about conspiracy and how it works in this and other cities, try my article on the "GREAT STREETCAR HOLOCAUST CONSPIRACY" in my jacksonvilletransit.blogspot.com site.

[Coolyfett]

How about the concept that very few people want to live downtown, no conspiracy needed, no evil oil companies.  How about the concept that people do in fact enjoy their 1/4 to 1 acre lots , regardless of the marxist clap trap posted above, and don't want to be shoved against one another in an urban desert like downtown jax?

LOL, well life is about options. Not everyone wants to drive the big SUV & have the big house out in the sticks, that option DOES exist in Jax, but the affordable apartment complex near a train station that connects to downtown DOES NOT exist. I don't think the founders of this forum want the SUV guy in Mandarin to move downtown, but would like the option of "urban train riding guy" to be able to go SOME places with out having to gas up. Its only FAIR.

[apvbguy]

How about the concept that very few people want to live downtown, no conspiracy needed, no evil oil companies.  How about the concept that people do in fact enjoy their 1/4 to 1 acre lots , regardless of the marxist clap trap posted above, and don't want to be shoved against one another in an urban desert like downtown jax?

LOL, well life is about options. Not everyone wants to drive the big SUV & have the big house out in the sticks, that option DOES exist in Jax, but the affordable apartment complex near a train station that connects to downtown DOES NOT exist. I don't think the founders of this forum want the SUV guy in Mandarin to move downtown, but would like the option of "urban train riding guy" to be able to go SOME places with out having to gas up. Its only FAIR.

the urbanistas that want to turn JAX into an urban utopia should consider using their energy to engineer a way that they can move to place where all the urban amenities exist. I voted with my feet by moving to NE FLA, they too can can find a metropolis that suits them much easier than trying to transform JAX into what THEY think would make it great