Strippers. Whats your opinion.

Started by stephendare, February 02, 2009, 07:24:31 PM

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thelakelander

#30
February 04, 2009, 12:14:50 PM
The last time was December 2008.  A nightlife district would include not only bars, but restaurants (some have bars in them), nightclubs, entertainment oriented retail and cultural establishments as well.  In addition to 7th Street, Ybor also has venues on side streets like 8th Avenue (ex. Gameworks, Muvico 20 cinemas, etc.). 

Nevertheless, there is a lot more going on there than indicated on the list above.  Try this link:

http://www.ybortimes.com/yborspots.cfm

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BridgeTroll

#31
February 04, 2009, 12:28:00 PM
Thanks Lake... I have not been there in quite a few years either.  My days of barhopping down the strip are few and far between.  But the list you provided has infinite more possibilities for adult entertainment than say... Bay St.

Shwaz there may small pockets spread all over Jax but that is my point.  When visitors come into town and ask... "Wheres the party district"  or "where are all the clubs" there really is not a specific area to point to.  Then of course they need non existant transportation to get to the beach or San Marco or where ever.

Finally...
Quotewouldn't advise bringing the kids.
Of course not... It is an ADULT entertainment district.  Kids are not welcome nor catered to.  It is where adults go to do adult things away from the kids... you know... have some fun... let your hair down... howl at the moon... etc...
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

Shwaz

#32
February 04, 2009, 12:41:55 PM
QuoteThe last time was December 2008

... and you found a more family atmosphere and the nightlife not over run with thugs?

QuoteWhen visitors come into town and ask... "Wheres the party district"

I tell them the beach - or take them to the beach and have had nothing but great feedback from a nightlife aspect.
Is it as concentrated of an area as Ybor? No. Most places have night life spread out. Tampa does too which leads back to the original topic of strip clubs. In Tampa they are not in ybor but in clusters spread all over the city.

It would be great to see Bay St evolve in to a strip of bars, restaurants & clubs stretching to all the way to the Stadium or start an area like Ybor in say Brooklyn.



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BridgeTroll

#33
February 04, 2009, 01:01:04 PM
How about the A Phillip Randolph area?  Why must it have a "family atmosphere" Shwaz??  Why would you send them all the way to the beaches??  There are a million of those places here in Metro Jacksonville.  When Steelers fans come to town they do not ask for the family atmosphere district...  They are looking for the district completely barren of families... distinctly lacking families... they want to have fun and not have to worry they might offend mother and child.
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

thelakelander

#34
February 04, 2009, 01:13:17 PM
When we've had visitors in the past, we have typically ended up in Five Points, San Marco, Springfield or St. Augustine.

Quote... and you found a more family atmosphere and the nightlife not over run with thugs?

Although, I've taken my kids to Ybor at night several times for ice cream, streetcar rides, movies or dinner, I wasn't looking for a family atmosphere.  For that I'd probably head over to Hyde Park (Tampa), a suburban mall or Kids Kampus.  However, when we take the kids out, we're back home way before the typical club hanging out time regardless of where we're at.

QuoteIt would be great to see Bay St evolve in to a strip of bars, restaurants & clubs stretching to all the way to the Stadium or start an area like Ybor in say Brooklyn.

My concern is that Bay does not have the building fabric.  Its future will be dependent on what the city does with courthouse and city hall annex blocks.  These things normally evolve on their own in the areas where the right conditions (cheap available ready to move in buildings, easy permitting, easy access, etc.) are in place.  It will be interesting to see how every thing will play out locally.
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Shwaz

#35
February 04, 2009, 01:29:07 PM Last Edit: February 04, 2009, 01:30:38 PM by Shwaz
BT the family atmosphere was brought up by Lake not me... his quote

QuoteBecause of an effort to make it more family friendly, it’s not as live as it was during the 90s

I wasn't trying to say it was or needed to be family friendly. In fact it IS quite the contrary.

QuoteWhy would you send them all the way to the beaches??  

If your saying the bustling downtown scene outweighs the draw of our beaches… we're going to have to agree to disagree.

Most people I know come down to get away from the cold and enjoy the beaches during the day. It has much more appeal than the 'metro' area that turns into a ghost town every Friday at 5p.

The beach has just about everything you need when the sun goes down too â€" Great restaurants - Freebird for live music (national bands) - Ocean Club for dancing and a plethora of WALKABLE bars that range in every age group.  I have a friend in Chicago that visits Orlando every year and he drives up just to eat a Beachside Seafood in Jax beach and spend a day on the beach. I took him and others from Chi to downtown / 5 points and it was obviously a disappointment.






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thelakelander

#36
February 04, 2009, 01:33:44 PM
Yes, I think the City of Tampa hurt Ybor into trying to make it more "family friendly".  We should not make the same mistake by attempting to force potential nightlife districts to be "family friendly".  Jacksonville needs a place for adults as well.

QuoteBeachside Seafood in Jax beach

I love the crabcake sandwiches at this place.
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BridgeTroll

#37
February 04, 2009, 01:39:18 PM
QuoteIf your saying the bustling downtown scene outweighs the draw of our beaches

You are absolutely correct... but that is the point of creating an adult district in town.  I have also escorted family and friends out to the beach but many folks are kind of stuck downtown for conventions, business, sporting events.  It would be great to tell them... "grab a cab and tell him ya want to go to the "Phillips district" and 10 minutes later they are picking between 10 or 15 places to go for a few hours...
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

Shwaz

#38
February 04, 2009, 01:53:29 PM
I was really just responding to;
QuoteWhy would you send them all the way to the beaches??  There are a million of those places here in Metro Jacksonville.

The hypothetical "Philips District" would be worth people steering away from the beach to downtown but unfortunately we're not there yet.
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kellypope

#39
February 04, 2009, 03:17:25 PM
Quote from: Shwaz on February 04, 2009, 01:29:07 PM
I have a friend in Chicago that visits Orlando every year and he drives up just to eat a Beachside Seafood in Jax beach and spend a day on the beach. I took him and others from Chi to downtown / 5 points and it was obviously a disappointment.
Speaking from the Loop, Jacksonville doesn't hold an electric candle to Chicago. But Chicago's "beach" is a joke, I'll tell you that right now. If there aren't sharks in it, I'm not convinced it's a beach.
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Shwaz

#40
February 04, 2009, 03:28:25 PM
QuoteSpeaking from the Loop, Jacksonville doesn't hold an electric candle to Chicago. But Chicago's "beach" is a joke, I'll tell you that right now. If there aren't sharks in it, I'm not convinced it's a beach.

My point exactly. Most people visiting for a football game or a work conference are either here from a big metro area or have visited many other big metro areas. Advising them to stay & play downtown Jax would be most likely give a bad impression of our area.
And though I long to embrace, I will not replace my priorities: humour, opinion, a sense of compassion, creativity and a distaste for fashion.

thelakelander

#41
February 04, 2009, 03:36:41 PM
A lot of my visitors are from other coastal cities and beaches come a dime a dozen to them.  However, areas like San Marco, Riverside and Springfield are pretty unique and there's always Downtown St. Augustine to fall back on.  Nevertheless, I do understand Bridgetroll's point.  An urban adult nightlife district would be beneficial for the community.
"A man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life." - Muhammad Ali

BridgeTroll

#42
February 04, 2009, 03:42:55 PM
Thanks Lake... that really is my only point.   :)
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

tufsu1

#43
February 04, 2009, 03:44:36 PM
Quote from: Shwaz on February 04, 2009, 11:06:40 AM

There are walkable pockets of nightlife in Jax... just not in every neighborhood. The beach has just as many bars / night clubs as Ybor and is more accessable and better quality IMO

Ybor is way out on the outskirts of Tampa and is now completely run down. At 2am cops come out in force in almost riot gear looking to bust heads... last time I was there a horse (cop) bit my shoulder. 

By outskirts do you mean 1 mile from downtown Tampa?

NotNow

#44
February 04, 2009, 09:28:43 PM
Interesting views.  I have no problem with and support the idea of a "nightlife district".  Strip clubs as a rule however, are bad news in many ways.  Follow the money gents.  These are not mom & pop stores.  "Gentleman's clubs" are a rough  and tough cash money business which as a matter of course operates on the fringes of legality.  What kind of characters are drawn to a cash business which operates with sub standard real estate, unstable, naked, often drug addicted women, alcohol, and a business model based on exploiting customers, employees, and suppliers?  Just a little more research than a night out looking would make my point pretty obvious.  While you could argue that the drug peddling and prostitution are "petty", a LOT of money is moving through.  Where do you think that money is coming from?  $10 drinks?  Do you really think these dancers are college students?  Do you believe that these girls are not used and indoctrinated into a dead end lifestyle?  How old do you think most of the dancers are when they start?  I know that these vices are as old as mankind, and I know that there will always be an ugly underbelly to society, I just continue to be shocked at either the compliance or the ignorance that just shrugs it off.  No offense gents, but just spend a little time dealing with this kind of crap and I believe that you would change your minds.
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