Entire Antarctic Shelf splitting away from Continent.

Started by RiversideGator, December 19, 2007, 04:53:26 PM

Charleston native

That's right. Spend ourselves to oblivion to curb that nasty CO2. ::)

Our retarded economy right now has nothing to do with free-reign capitalism and massive CO2 belching.

gatorback

'As a sinner I am truly conscious of having often offended my Creator and I beg him to forgive me, but as a Queen and Sovereign, I am aware of no fault or offence for which I have to render account to anyone here below.'   Mary, queen of Scots to her jailer, Sir Amyas Paulet; October 1586

tufsu1

Quote from: RiversideGator on January 13, 2009, 10:24:11 AM
Quote from: tufsu1 on January 13, 2009, 08:41:04 AM
but what if spending $ to curb GW actually helped the economy?

Since that isn't even really a question, than the answer seems to be a no brainer as well....just do it! 

Except it doesnt help the economy.  It would retard the economy.

of course....because investing in green technologies won't create new jobs!

really River....even T. Boone Pickend understands that!

Charleston native

Quote from: tufsu1 on January 13, 2009, 01:39:00 PM
of course....because investing in green technologies won't create new jobs!

really River....even T. Boone Pickend understands that!
You seem to think that investing in inferior technologies is actually going to create new jobs, when in fact, this line of thinking will actually worsen the economic funk we are currently in. People with good financial saavy know a crap investment when they see one.

Charleston native

Quote from: gatorback on January 13, 2009, 01:23:00 PM
Better suggestion?
Anything else (even letting the market go and even itself out) is better than letting the government spend more money that it doesn't have.

gatorback

'As a sinner I am truly conscious of having often offended my Creator and I beg him to forgive me, but as a Queen and Sovereign, I am aware of no fault or offence for which I have to render account to anyone here below.'   Mary, queen of Scots to her jailer, Sir Amyas Paulet; October 1586

tufsu1

Quote from: Charleston native on January 13, 2009, 03:11:52 PM
Quote from: tufsu1 on January 13, 2009, 01:39:00 PM
of course....because investing in green technologies won't create new jobs!

really River....even T. Boone Pickend understands that!
You seem to think that investing in inferior technologies is actually going to create new jobs, when in fact, this line of thinking will actually worsen the economic funk we are currently in. People with good financial saavy know a crap investment when they see one.

well I guess Mr. Pickens must not be a very good businessman then!

I never said anything about government being the only ones to spend....you know as well as I do that we do not live in a free market and government often intervenes in the market...so its about time we stop propping up the oil and gas industry and instead incentivize green!

RiversideGator

Quote from: tufsu1 on January 13, 2009, 01:39:00 PM
Quote from: RiversideGator on January 13, 2009, 10:24:11 AM
Quote from: tufsu1 on January 13, 2009, 08:41:04 AM
but what if spending $ to curb GW actually helped the economy?

Since that isn't even really a question, than the answer seems to be a no brainer as well....just do it! 

Except it doesnt help the economy.  It would retard the economy.

of course....because investing in green technologies won't create new jobs!

really River....even T. Boone Pickend understands that!

Do you understand the difference between "creating jobs" and a positive net job growth?

BridgeTroll

I hope he builds thousands of windmills and makes a huge profit!  I have been waiting for him to begin...
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

gatorback

#639
I don't give a crap if it's smoke mirrors, I want a job.  I think me and 3,000,000 other peeps think the same thing right now.
'As a sinner I am truly conscious of having often offended my Creator and I beg him to forgive me, but as a Queen and Sovereign, I am aware of no fault or offence for which I have to render account to anyone here below.'   Mary, queen of Scots to her jailer, Sir Amyas Paulet; October 1586

RiversideGator

More global cooling.  Enjoy the frigid weather, global warmistas!



QuoteShocking cold wave drops temps to 40 below zero     
Jan 13 03:24 PM US/Eastern
By AMY FORLITI
Associated Press Writer    

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) - Temperatures crashed to Arctic levels Tuesday as a severe cold wave rolled across the upper Midwest on the heels of yet another snowstorm, closing schools and making most people think twice before going outside. Thermometers read single digits early in the day as far south as Kansas and Missouri, where some areas warmed only into the teens by midday.

The ice and snow that glazed pavement was blamed for numerous traffic accidents from Minnesota to Indiana, where police said a truck overturned and spilled 43,000 pounds of cheese, closing a busy highway ramp during the night in the Gary area.

Still, some Minnesotans took it as just another winter day, even in the state's extreme northwest corner where thermometers bottomed out at 38 degrees below zero at the town of Hallock and the National Weather Service said the wind chill was a shocking 58 below.

"It's really not so bad," Robert Cameron, 75, said as he and several friends gathered for morning coffee at the Cenex service station in Hallock. "We've got clothing that goes with the weather. ... We're ready and rolling, no matter what."

"It's so beautiful. There's not a cloud in the sky," said Keith Anderson, 66. But he said that's not stopping him from skipping town at the end of the week to spend a couple of months in Nevada and Arizona.

Outside, one of the station's gas pumps froze up at least once, and assistant manager Terrie Franks had to go out to apply deicer spray.

"You definitely have to have gloves on because touching the cold metalâ€"your hands are frozen," Franks said by telephone.

The weather service warned that exposed flesh can freeze in 10 minutes when the wind chill is 40 degrees below zero or colder.

At about 8 a.m., temperatures were minus 40 in International Falls and minus 35 in Roseau. Farther south, Minneapolis hit 18 below zero with a wind chill of 32 below and black ice was blamed for numerous accidents.

In neighboring North Dakota, Grand Forks dropped to a record low of 37 below zero Tuesday morning, lopping six degrees off the old record set in 1979, the National Weather Service said.


Schools were closed because of the cold as far south as Iowa, and authorities in Grand Rapids, Mich., went out urging the homeless to seek shelter.

The leading edge of the cold air was expected to strike the Northeast, mid-Atlantic and South late Tuesday and Wednesday. And meteorologists warned that a second wave could drop temperatures into the single digits Thursday and Friday in the mid-Atlantic region.

The storm that blew through the upper Midwest on Monday dropped 6 inches of snow on Minot, N.D., on top of about a foot that fell late last week, and Bismarck collected 4 inches. Bismarck, Fargo and Grand Forks all broke snow records for December, each with more than 30 inches. They were outdone by Madison, Wis., which accumulated a record 40 inches for the month, the weather service said Tuesday.


Road departments have had little time to clear away the snow between storms.

"Four-wheel drives are uselessâ€"people are just snowed in," said Rhonda Woodhams, office manager for Williams County, N.D. "People are calling in saying they're out of milk and diapers for their kids, or they have doctor appointments they need to get to. We're doing our best. And we don't need no more snow."

"It's like a sea of whiteness; people can't see the road," said Rebecca Arndt, a spokeswoman for the Minnesota Department of Transportation in Mankato. "When the white fluffy stuff starts to blow, it is not pretty."

What was left of that snowstorm was blowing eastward along the Great Lakes, and the weather service posted winter storm warnings Tuesday for parts of Michigan, northern Indiana and Ohio's northwest corner. Up to 11 inches of new snow was possible in Detroit.

Winter weather advisories were in effect from North Dakota to Ohio and northeast into northern New England.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D95MFJ500&show_article=1

gatorback

#641
Let's see if the frigid weather holds.  I suspect this little blast will be followed by warm weather--record highs no doubt.  See this is the problem...the cold doesn't hold.  So that snow is going to melt.  Then another cold snap and the melted snow will freeze.  This is why the rain deer are dying you know.  The little rain deer paws cannot dig through ice.
'As a sinner I am truly conscious of having often offended my Creator and I beg him to forgive me, but as a Queen and Sovereign, I am aware of no fault or offence for which I have to render account to anyone here below.'   Mary, queen of Scots to her jailer, Sir Amyas Paulet; October 1586

gatorback

#642
Oh, wait here we go....Just as I suspected.  More red flag warnings....

Quote

Record Heatwave Continues to Bake SoCal


KTLA News

January 13, 2009

LOS ANGELES -- Another round of record-high temperatures hit parts of the Southland Tuesday, adding to the increased threat of wildfires as strong Santa Ana winds and low humidity levels also stuck around.

A red flag warning remained in effect through 6 p.m. in coastal, mountain, forest and valley areas of Los Angeles and Ventura counties.

In issuing the warning, the National Weather Service forecast winds gusts in mountain areas of up to 65 miles per hour, with humidity levels in the teens or even single digits.
     
In Los Angeles County, the warning was in effect in mountain areas, including the Angeles National Forest and the Santa Monica Mountains Recreational Area; so-called coastal areas, including the Hollywood Hills and downtown Los Angeles; and the San Fernando and Santa Clarita valleys.
         
The unseasonably warm weather produced record temperatures in several communities Tuesday, including:

A record high temperature of 86 degrees in Long Beach, breaking the old record of 84 degrees set in 1994.

A record high temperature of 85 degrees was set in Oxnard today, which breaks the old record of 84 degrees set in 1983.
'As a sinner I am truly conscious of having often offended my Creator and I beg him to forgive me, but as a Queen and Sovereign, I am aware of no fault or offence for which I have to render account to anyone here below.'   Mary, queen of Scots to her jailer, Sir Amyas Paulet; October 1586

gatorback

#643
Remember, the trend is more record highs then lows.  Sorry global cooling folks.

Here's some more record highs:

Jacksonville
San Francisco
Dallas
Venture

Wow.  Must be pretty hot in Jax tonight huh? Thank god the earth is coolin.  ::)
'As a sinner I am truly conscious of having often offended my Creator and I beg him to forgive me, but as a Queen and Sovereign, I am aware of no fault or offence for which I have to render account to anyone here below.'   Mary, queen of Scots to her jailer, Sir Amyas Paulet; October 1586

RiversideGator

It is in the 40s right now in Jax.