Fighting H8. Nationwide Protest due to Prop. 8 passing

[RiversideGator]

Not only is your post idiotic, it is wrong.

Stop calling gay people fetishists.

Sorry but the truth is it is a sexual fetish just as a man who is obsessed with feet or any other deviant sex act.

"Wow."

You win most ignorant post.

Can lefties make any points without insults?

FYI:

fet⋅ish
   /ˈfɛtɪʃ, ˈfitɪʃ/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [fet-ish, fee-tish] Show IPA Pronunciation
â€"noun
1.    an object regarded with awe as being the embodiment or habitation of a potent spirit or as having magical potency.
2.    any object, idea, etc., eliciting unquestioning reverence, respect, or devotion: to make a fetish of high grades.
3.    Psychology. any object or nongenital part of the body that causes a habitual erotic response or fixation.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fetish

[stephElf]

I simply want to preserve traditional marriage.

First of all the whole idea of traditional marriage is flawed in the first place. It doesn't work for 50% of the couples out there.  So what are you wanting to preserve exactly?

It is not for you or the government to decide which individuals can get married.

Woman used to not be allowed to vote and that is exactly what this ridiculous argument sounds like.

[JaxByDefault]

.  I also will not shouted down by homosexual activists here.

Spouse and I are married, heterosexual, law-degreed activists on behalf of equality for all people,  and we're certainly not shouting at anyone.

I admit to not being sold on the "protecting traditional marriage" argument. Even the phrase "traditional marriage" is problematic. What tradition? Ancient traditions of plural marriage? Medieval European traditions of forced marriage or marriage as a property transfer? Marriage after the birth of offspring that verified a woman's fertility, as common among peasants until the 18th century? Must it always be a love match? A contractual arrangement? As a historian, it has always struck me that "traditional marriage" is marriage as it came to be defined by Romanticism, Victorian emphasis on domesticity, and the rise of the industrial middle class. Marriage throughout most epochs of Judeo-Christian Western history would shock the sensibilities of many today.

I have no interest in a debate on religion or morality. These are subjects best left to conversations with one's closest confidants, not thrashed around in public where they are sure to only do injury.

I'm not even going near a public discussion of what constitutes a "fetish."

[stephElf]

Not only is your post idiotic, it is wrong.

Stop calling gay people fetishists.

Sorry but the truth is it is a sexual fetish just as a man who is obsessed with feet or any other deviant sex act.

"Wow."

You win most ignorant post.

Can lefties make any points without insults?

FYI:

fet⋅ish
   /ˈfɛtɪʃ, ˈfitɪʃ/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [fet-ish, fee-tish] Show IPA Pronunciation
â€"noun
1.    an object regarded with awe as being the embodiment or habitation of a potent spirit or as having magical potency.
2.    any object, idea, etc., eliciting unquestioning reverence, respect, or devotion: to make a fetish of high grades.
3.    Psychology. any object or nongenital part of the body that causes a habitual erotic response or fixation.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fetish

I am not insulting you.  It is a fact that you sound ignorant and like a bigot.

By your logic a heterosexual person has a fetish for the opposite sex.

I don't think I have a fetish for my husband, that simply happens to be my sexual orientation.

Sexual orientation is not a freaking fetish! Or a choice.  Just like I don't have a fetish for brown eyes nor did I chose to be born with them. It just happenned!

[uptowngirl]

Riversidegator.  You are out and out hatemongering.
I am not against gay people.  I do not approve of their lifestyle choices but that is their own business.  I simply want to preserve traditional marriage.

Traditional marriage these days is actually quite comical. I, frankly don't want to get married, I just want equal rights for everyone.

If traditional marriage is a joke then why the protest?

[JaxByDefault]

Not only is your post idiotic, it is wrong.

Stop calling gay people fetishists.

Sorry but the truth is it is a sexual fetish just as a man who is obsessed with feet or any other deviant sex act.

"Wow."

You win most ignorant post.

Can lefties make any points without insults?

FYI:

fet⋅ish
   /ˈfɛtɪʃ, ˈfitɪʃ/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [fet-ish, fee-tish] Show IPA Pronunciation
â€"noun
1.    an object regarded with awe as being the embodiment or habitation of a potent spirit or as having magical potency.
2.    any object, idea, etc., eliciting unquestioning reverence, respect, or devotion: to make a fetish of high grades.
3.    Psychology. any object or nongenital part of the body that causes a habitual erotic response or fixation.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fetish

I am not insulting you.  It is a fact that you sound ignorant and like a bigot.

By your logic a heterosexual person has a fetish for the opposite sex.

I don't think I have a fetish for my husband, that simply happens to be my sexual orientation.

Sexual orientation is not a freaking fetish! Or a choice.  Just like I don't have a fetish for brown eyes nor did I chose to be born with them. It just happenned!

Actually, under the definition posted by RiversideGator, homosexual sex is NOT a fetish, because homosexual sex involves the genitals.

[uptowngirl]

That's what I don't get. Why are people so against it?  I want to know HOW exactly it hurt marriage.  Doesn't divorce hurt marriage? And please, people who bring in the 'marriage is holy' crap, just stop it. It shouldn't be about religion at all. Is it a problem if two atheists get married? I'm pretty sure they wouldn't view their marriage as a "holy union."  I really just cannot comprehend what the issue is. Just let people live their lives!  Does it REALLY hurt you for gay people to be allowed the right to marry? If so, how exactly?  And I don't give a flip if it goes against your beliefs. If you don't believe in it, don't enter into a gay marriage yourself. Seems reasonable to me.

Oh yeah, I hear this.. you don't want to explain it to your children? Hmm, okay, well gay couples are a fact of society so they are going to learn eventually anyway. How about just explaining that two people love each other and want to spend their lives together.

I'd just love someone to attempt a rational explanation on HOW exactly it "hurts families" and marriage.

By cheapening the institution of marriage, it makes people less likely to get married thereby weakening families.  This has been the experience in Europe, BTW, in countries where gay marriage is permitted.

Divorce is also bad for families.  The no fault divorce laws have been a disaster for families and should be repealed IMO.

Ok.

A) Gay people getting married DOES NOT cheapen marriage.

B) Marriage does not equal family.

C) People can exist as a family without marriage, without kids, without sharing blood.

Yep without the same rights as a married couple, whether they are gay or not.

What the hell is the issue here? Do we want the same legal rights for EVERYONE whether married or committed? If so this IS a civil rights issue and SHOULD be challeneged. I don;t get it....some post trditional mariage is comical, but yet want in on it, some say you do not have to be married to have kids and be considered a family. So what is it everyone wants? Same legal rights as a married couple? Or just the ability to get married even though you do not feel the need for it and consider it comical, so you can thumb your nose at others who believe differently?? I am trying to be supportive, but some of you are not making it very easy...

[TREE4309]

That's what I don't get. Why are people so against it?  I want to know HOW exactly it hurt marriage.  Doesn't divorce hurt marriage? And please, people who bring in the 'marriage is holy' crap, just stop it. It shouldn't be about religion at all. Is it a problem if two atheists get married? I'm pretty sure they wouldn't view their marriage as a "holy union."  I really just cannot comprehend what the issue is. Just let people live their lives!  Does it REALLY hurt you for gay people to be allowed the right to marry? If so, how exactly?  And I don't give a flip if it goes against your beliefs. If you don't believe in it, don't enter into a gay marriage yourself. Seems reasonable to me.

Oh yeah, I hear this.. you don't want to explain it to your children? Hmm, okay, well gay couples are a fact of society so they are going to learn eventually anyway. How about just explaining that two people love each other and want to spend their lives together.

I'd just love someone to attempt a rational explanation on HOW exactly it "hurts families" and marriage.

By cheapening the institution of marriage, it makes people less likely to get married thereby weakening families.  This has been the experience in Europe, BTW, in countries where gay marriage is permitted.

Divorce is also bad for families.  The no fault divorce laws have been a disaster for families and should be repealed IMO.

How exactly is it cheapening the institution of marriage?

[TheProfessor]

Homosexuality has been around since the beginning of time.  From before Alexander the Great and onward!  I know plenty of married men and men with girlfriends who have sex with other men.  I think that if people would grow up and not be so secretive and scared about who they are, then equality would be tangible in our society.  Until straight people open their eyes to the homosexual underground there will always be ignorance and inequality.

[stephElf]

That's what I don't get. Why are people so against it?  I want to know HOW exactly it hurt marriage.  Doesn't divorce hurt marriage? And please, people who bring in the 'marriage is holy' crap, just stop it. It shouldn't be about religion at all. Is it a problem if two atheists get married? I'm pretty sure they wouldn't view their marriage as a "holy union."  I really just cannot comprehend what the issue is. Just let people live their lives!  Does it REALLY hurt you for gay people to be allowed the right to marry? If so, how exactly?  And I don't give a flip if it goes against your beliefs. If you don't believe in it, don't enter into a gay marriage yourself. Seems reasonable to me.

Oh yeah, I hear this.. you don't want to explain it to your children? Hmm, okay, well gay couples are a fact of society so they are going to learn eventually anyway. How about just explaining that two people love each other and want to spend their lives together.

I'd just love someone to attempt a rational explanation on HOW exactly it "hurts families" and marriage.

By cheapening the institution of marriage, it makes people less likely to get married thereby weakening families.  This has been the experience in Europe, BTW, in countries where gay marriage is permitted.

Divorce is also bad for families.  The no fault divorce laws have been a disaster for families and should be repealed IMO.

Ok.

A) Gay people getting married DOES NOT cheapen marriage.

B) Marriage does not equal family.

C) People can exist as a family without marriage, without kids, without sharing blood.

Yep without the same rights as a married couple, whether they are gay or not.

What the hell is the issue here? Do we want the same legal rights for EVERYONE whether married or committed? If so this IS a civil rights issue and SHOULD be challeneged. I don;t get it....some post trditional mariage is comical, but yet want in on it, some say you do not have to be married to have kids and be considered a family. So what is it everyone wants? Same legal rights as a married couple? Or just the ability to get married even though you do not feel the need for it and consider it comical, so you can thumb your nose at others who believe differently?? I am trying to be supportive, but some of you are not making it very easy...

Well for me personally I am married and hetero and I believe in the idea of marriage even though I am product of divorce.

I simply want people who are gay to be able to get married in every state of our country just like straight people can.

I don't see what someone's sexual orientation has to do with marriage.  Just like gender and race should not keep someone from voting.

A large segment of our society is gay and there is nothing wrong with that.  For them to not have the same rights as everyone else is just simply not fair and antiquated in my book.

[stephElf]

Homosexuality has been around since the beginning of time.  From before Alexander the Great and onward!  I know plenty of married men and men with girlfriends who have sex with other men.  I think that if people would grow up and not be so secretive and scared about who they are, then equality would be tangible in our society.  Until straight people open their eyes to the homosexual underground there will always be ignorance and inequality.

Exactly, thank you!

[uptowngirl]

Homosexuality has been around since the beginning of time.  From before Alexander the Great and onward!  I know plenty of married men and men with girlfriends who have sex with other men.  I think that if people would grow up and not be so secretive and scared about who they are, then equality would be tangible in our society.  Until straight people open their eyes to the homosexual underground there will always be ignorance and inequality.

Or until homosexual people open their eyes to the homosexual underground there will always be ignorance and inequality. Sounds like "they" are the one's adding to the ignorance and inequality themselves! More people who can not maintain a monogamous relationship to end up in divorce I guess....

[uptowngirl]

Where exactly is this 'homosexual underground'? btw.  Is it still on Park Street?

Love is love.  What are we arguing?

UTG.  Do you agree with River that gay people don't actually love each other, but are merely fetishists?

HELL NO I don't agree with that.

The way I see it is there are loving couples in all kinds of packages. I can understand why one's beliefs may not make them open to gay marriage (whether I agree  or not) and I support their right to their opinion (w/o insults). The way I see it is perhaps this issue is not mainstreamed enough yet to pass a vote, and a judge ruling is just going to cause more issues. What I would like to see (and what I think is plausible now, today!) is getting equal legal rights for comitted couples (regardless of sexuality). I think this could be successfully argued in court if need be, but I believe the majority IS ready to vote on something like this. Granted it is not a 100% solution, but it is at least 90%.

When women got the vote, their husbands still had a lot of say over them....when blacks got the vote they were kept away from the polls by threat of violence, it isn't something that happens overnight, no matter how bad one might like it to. Let's get the basic legal rights taken care of first....just my 2 cents.

[BridgeTroll]

Woman used to not be allowed to vote and that is exactly what this ridiculous argument sounds like.

And how did we fix this obvious injustice??

[uptowngirl]

http://www.youtube.com/v/2und1kmLxwA

hey Stephen, based on this... and the fact that you have stated conservatives are the minority can we protest and fight in court the vote for preseident...we are a mionority that being terrorized by the majority...

Just kidding 

but really the vote happened, it is what it is ...so what can be done to get the legal rights needed, not only by gay couples, but many couples... I think the civil rights law, as it is today would support this argument much more than the marriage argument, but as I said I think the majority would support this proposition.