Fighting H8. Nationwide Protest due to Prop. 8 passing

[RiversideGator]

That's what I don't get. Why are people so against it?  I want to know HOW exactly it hurt marriage.  Doesn't divorce hurt marriage? And please, people who bring in the 'marriage is holy' crap, just stop it. It shouldn't be about religion at all. Is it a problem if two atheists get married? I'm pretty sure they wouldn't view their marriage as a "holy union."  I really just cannot comprehend what the issue is. Just let people live their lives!  Does it REALLY hurt you for gay people to be allowed the right to marry? If so, how exactly?  And I don't give a flip if it goes against your beliefs. If you don't believe in it, don't enter into a gay marriage yourself. Seems reasonable to me.

Oh yeah, I hear this.. you don't want to explain it to your children? Hmm, okay, well gay couples are a fact of society so they are going to learn eventually anyway. How about just explaining that two people love each other and want to spend their lives together.

I'd just love someone to attempt a rational explanation on HOW exactly it "hurts families" and marriage.

By cheapening the institution of marriage, it makes people less likely to get married thereby weakening families.  This has been the experience in Europe, BTW, in countries where gay marriage is permitted.

Divorce is also bad for families.  The no fault divorce laws have been a disaster for families and should be repealed IMO.

[The Compound]

I really am convinced that all who oppose gay marriage do so out of hate.

Wow...

Is there no way another motivation might be at work (like preserving traditional marriage)?

So if me and my partner of 10 years got married, you think that will make your marriage less valid? 

[RiversideGator]

I am not a big protester but prop 8 and amendment 2 have proven on this subject you can't be activist enough. The people who complain that gays are too much in your face are so off base.  Society has proven if you want to be treated equal you need to be loud and make the hate mongers uncomfortable by shinning the light of truth on them even if it gives them the willys.  The government or society have no business saying who anyone can or can't marry.  I really am convinced that all who oppose gay marriage do so out of hate.  I mean it is just laughable that they are this bent out of shape over the definition of a word. This just in they have to update the dictionary every year.

While I support the right to marry who you choose, I can not agree with you on the "in your face" portion of your post. Going into a church and shouting down the sermon, tearing up the alter is not acceptable. Beating up little old ladies is not acceptable. Calling everyone haters, ignorant, selfish, and redneck just because they do not agree with your individual view point is not acceptable. I have stated before, the majority of people would be more willing to support "the same legal rights for committed couples, regardless of their sexual preference" than attacking marriage. I mean it seems this is the end result everyone is looking for, so leave the religion out of it and let's get it done. Bullying people never gets anything accomplished.

I have no problem with children understanding gay marriage; my children have always been around both straight and gay couples. I do have a problem with my child seeing some of the antics being portrayed on TV and in the newspapers/magazines as outlined above. It is hard for children to equate a loving person with someone who beats up old ladies and scares the bejesus out of them in church!

I dont know anyone gay or straight that beats up old ladies.   

Here is a video of the incidents in question.  Notice how the homosexual protesters are clearly becoming unhinged and violent.  This is very disturbing:

http://www.youtube.com/v/H_ZvPR09N4Q

[RiversideGator]

Not only is your post idiotic, it is wrong.

Stop calling gay people fetishists.

Sorry but the truth is it is a sexual fetish just as a man who is obsessed with feet or any other deviant sex act.

[JaxByDefault]

I am familiar with that case.  The difference is marriage in that case refers to the institution involving the union of a man and a woman.  To claim Loving v. VA supports gay marriage is to either misread the case or to not be honest.

Yes, Loving involved a heterosexual, interracial couple. The issue in Loving, however, did not focus on the heterosexual nature of their marriage. The issue was whether a ban on marriage based solely on race violated the Equal Protection or Due Process Clauses of the 14th Amendment. The Court held that it did. To read an expansion of Loving's holding to cover same sex marriage is wholely consistent with America's developing jurisprudence.

Also, race is not behavior while sex is.  One is an immutable characteristic and one is basically a fetish.

You are making a moral/religious argument. The Supreme Court, however, has held that a prohibition on the act of homosexual sex is a violation of the Due Process Clause. So, apparently, the Court has no problem protecting homosexual "fetishes."

[RiversideGator]

Riversidegator.  You are out and out hatemongering.

Why do you care in the first place?  If you want to protect your marriage, don't fool around, don't beat your wife, molest your children or get divorced.

Devalidating gay people and calling them names doesnt do that.  It makes you into a bigot.

If you disapprove of gay people why on earth are you living in the gayest district in the city?

Move your gayhating butt out to the westside for the love of God.

I am not against gay people.  I do not approve of their lifestyle choices but that is their own business.  I simply want to preserve traditional marriage.

[RiversideGator]

I am familiar with that case.  The difference is marriage in that case refers to the institution involving the union of a man and a woman.  To claim Loving v. VA supports gay marriage is to either misread the case or to not be honest.

Yes, Loving involved a heterosexual, interracial couple. The issue in Loving, however, did not focus on the heterosexual nature of their marriage. The issue was whether a ban on marriage based solely on race violated the Equal Protection or Due Process Clauses of the 14th Amendment. The Court held that it did. To read an expansion of Loving's holding to cover same sex marriage is wholely consistent with America's developing jurisprudence.

Translation:  We cannot win this issue at the ballot box so I hope that some unelected Judges make it the law of the land.

Also, race is not behavior while sex is.  One is an immutable characteristic and one is basically a fetish.

You are making a moral/religious argument. The Supreme Court, however, has held that a prohibition on the act of homosexual sex is a violation of the Due Process Clause. So, apparently, the Court has no problem protecting homosexual "fetishes."

That decision was clearly political and wrong IMO (although it is currently the law of the land).  Go back and reread Bowers v. Hardwick for the appropriate, apolitical ruling.

[RiversideGator]

You already have great advice on how to preserve 'traditional' marriage.

In the meantime stop making up laughably stupid stories reflecting your queer panic.

hahaha.  "Queer panic"?  I am hardly afraid.  I also will not shouted down by homosexual activists here.

[The Compound]

Riversidegator.  You are out and out hatemongering.

Why do you care in the first place?  If you want to protect your marriage, don't fool around, don't beat your wife, molest your children or get divorced.

Devalidating gay people and calling them names doesnt do that.  It makes you into a bigot.

If you disapprove of gay people why on earth are you living in the gayest district in the city?

Move your gayhating butt out to the westside for the love of God.

I am not against gay people.  I do not approve of their lifestyle choices but that is their own business.  I simply want to preserve traditional marriage.

TRADITIONALLY most marriages end in divorce. Is that the traditional marriage you speak of? 

[reednavy]

Riversidegator.  You are out and out hatemongering.
I am not against gay people.  I do not approve of their lifestyle choices but that is their own business.  I simply want to preserve traditional marriage.

Traditional marriage these days is actually quite comical. I, frankly don't want to get married, I just want equal rights for everyone.

[stephElf]

Also, race is not behavior while sex is.  One is an immutable characteristic and one is basically a fetish.

A fetish? You can't be serious.

[stephElf]

That's what I don't get. Why are people so against it?  I want to know HOW exactly it hurt marriage.  Doesn't divorce hurt marriage? And please, people who bring in the 'marriage is holy' crap, just stop it. It shouldn't be about religion at all. Is it a problem if two atheists get married? I'm pretty sure they wouldn't view their marriage as a "holy union."  I really just cannot comprehend what the issue is. Just let people live their lives!  Does it REALLY hurt you for gay people to be allowed the right to marry? If so, how exactly?  And I don't give a flip if it goes against your beliefs. If you don't believe in it, don't enter into a gay marriage yourself. Seems reasonable to me.

Oh yeah, I hear this.. you don't want to explain it to your children? Hmm, okay, well gay couples are a fact of society so they are going to learn eventually anyway. How about just explaining that two people love each other and want to spend their lives together.

I'd just love someone to attempt a rational explanation on HOW exactly it "hurts families" and marriage.

By cheapening the institution of marriage, it makes people less likely to get married thereby weakening families.  This has been the experience in Europe, BTW, in countries where gay marriage is permitted.

Divorce is also bad for families.  The no fault divorce laws have been a disaster for families and should be repealed IMO.

Ok.

A) Gay people getting married DOES NOT cheapen marriage.

B) Marriage does not equal family.

C) People can exist as a family without marriage, without kids, without sharing blood.

[stephElf]

Not only is your post idiotic, it is wrong.

Stop calling gay people fetishists.

Sorry but the truth is it is a sexual fetish just as a man who is obsessed with feet or any other deviant sex act.

"Wow."

You win most ignorant post.

[rjp2008]

Hopefully we will not see more examples of judicial activism in California. It would be tragic if the votes of over 6 million people who voted for Prop 8 would be totally disenfranchised by a pro-homosexual lobby judge's ruling.

[RiversideGator]

Riversidegator.  You are out and out hatemongering.

Why do you care in the first place?  If you want to protect your marriage, don't fool around, don't beat your wife, molest your children or get divorced.

Devalidating gay people and calling them names doesnt do that.  It makes you into a bigot.

If you disapprove of gay people why on earth are you living in the gayest district in the city?

Move your gayhating butt out to the westside for the love of God.

I am not against gay people.  I do not approve of their lifestyle choices but that is their own business.  I simply want to preserve traditional marriage.

TRADITIONALLY most marriages end in divorce. Is that the traditional marriage you speak of? 

As I said, measures should be taken to strengthen traditional marriage by making divorce harder to obtain IMO.