200 Riverside Renderings

[Coolyfett]

Also dumb question, but what is the difference between a TOD & TAD?

TOD (Transit Oriented Development) - Mass transit is a central focus of the project.  Its designed around mass transit.  Without mass transit, this development will not happen.  If it happens, Jackson Square would be considered a TOD.

TAD (Transit Adjacent Development) - This is a new development located near a mass transit stop.  Transit can play a role in its feasibility, but its not as critical an element and the development isn't designed with a mass transit stop as the central feature.   Many of the projects JTA labels as TODs are actually TADs.  Kings Avenue Station is a prime example.  Its just as dependent on the skyway as Morton's and San Marco Place.

What would MOSH & Main Library be classified under?

Neither.  The Main Library and MOSH are not transit "dependent" development.  They would be there regardless of if transit were nearby or not.

So basically TOD is more than one development around a train station as its central point? But the station would have to be there first?

What would be the terminology of MOSH, Main Library, Treaty Oak, Hemming Plaza etc etc, what category would those places fall under?

[thelakelander]

can you link to the story? I didn't see it.

[thelakelander]

So basically TOD is more than one development around a train station as its central point? But the station would have to be there first?

No.  A TOD is a development with mass transit as its central focus.  Its a project that is not feasible without having mass transit as a central element and amenity.

A TOD apartment complex in suburban San Diego.  Residents can go from their unit to downtown without ever getting in a car or leaving the property before catching the train.  Without the light rail station, this project does not happen in this shape or form. 


A TAD is a development that is close in proximity to transit, but with a design that has not been significantly influenced by it.  The proposed Laura Street project is a TAD.   Its directly next to the skyway station, but it has a design that isn't dependent on the skyway.

What would be the terminology of MOSH, Main Library, Treaty Oak, Hemming Plaza etc etc, what category would those places fall under?[/color]

None of these are transit dependent so that aren't TODs or TADs.  They are just regular parks and cultural destinations.

[Charles Hunter]

Thus, by these definitions, Jackson Square is more TAD than TOD, as they seem to be going ahead before the transit component - either BRT or Commuter Rail - happens.  The transit seems to be an enhancement rather than a necessity.

[ProjectMaximus]

Thanks for the article, Lake. It was a nice read and has me hopeful that things can turn around quickly if the economy recovers.

[ChrisG]

About a year or two ago, the city wanted to buy property for a proposed "Brooklyn Central Park". This was going to be from Park st. to Riverside, Forest to Dora st.

[thelakelander]

Its still apart of the plan for this area.  200 Riverside will face that park.

[ChrisG]

Yes the current retention Pond, but not the land to the north of Magnolis st. to Park st. 

[Charles Hunter]

From the renderings, it looks like the 200 Riverside folks are going to turn the retention pond into fountain ("cement pond") near their main entrance. Didn't the old City Brooklyn Park plan (not to be confused with the private development to the north called Brooklyn Park) call for expanding the pond, to provide drainage for the private Brooklyn Park development?

I thought I'd read that here, or at another site, some time ago.

[Jason]

Any new information here?

[jeh1980]

There's a likely possibilty that it's gonna start construction soon! Keep the faith. 

[brainstormer]

Are you sure?  Because I'm almost positive that they have taken down the "coming soon" sign and now it just says the site is available.  Why would they do that if it was still going to be built?  I'm hoping it hasn't been scratched because of the economy, but that is my guess.

[jeh1980]

Well, I hope it's not scratched either. 200 Riverside would be a great edition for the downtown/riverside area. Let's not lose hope!

[blizz01]

Looks like this still has some life - I do like the idea of a boutique hotel.  I trust that new renderings will ensue:

The board also heard a presentation by Hallmark Partners, the developer seeking to revive its 200 Riverside project.

A mixed-use plan for a seven-acre site on Riverside Avenue near Forest Street was approved by DDRB at its January 2007 meeting, but the project didn’t move forward due to changes in market conditions.

“The original design included a substantial residential component,” said Hallmark Partners Senior Vice President Coen Purvis before the meeting was called to order. “We’re still bullish on the site.”

The 2007 plan also included a four-story office building which has been retained in the new design for the development.

The revised plan has no residential element and a limited service hotel has taken its place, said Jason Faulkner of Rink Design Partnership, Inc. It will be four stories high with 130 rooms facing the pond and park that also remain in the site plan.

Miller said putting a hotel next to an office building, “is just wrong architecturally.” He said the only way he could approve the concept would be if the hotel “doesn’t look like the hotels on Baymeadows Road.”

Faulkner said that a dozen hospitality providers had been approached as candidates for the project and the developers are aware of the challenges involved in locating a hotel next to an office building.

“Finding a boutique hotel vendor who is willing to build a new prototype was like finding a needle in a haystack, particularly in this economic environment,” said Faulkner.

However, he added, an agreement has been reached with a company that currently operates 300 hotel properties and is developing its first urban prototype for the 200 Riverside project. Faulkner declined to identify the vendor but did say the company is currently operating hotels in North Florida.

In addition to the office building in the first plan, another office building with retail and restaurant space on the ground floor has been added. Faulkner said the restaurant will serve the commercial tenants as well as people who use the park and amphitheater which was also retained in the new site plan.

Conceptual approval for the amended plan was granted with a unanimous vote

http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=530153

[Captain Zissou]

130 Rooms on 4 stories??  Sounds like a Holiday Inn.  I hope it goes through some design changes so this isn't the case.