200 Riverside Renderings

[fhrathore]

where is brooklyn park in relation to this project?

[alta]

It is part of Brooklyn Park.  I guess the condos and apartments have been scrapped indefinitely.   

[brainstormer]

I'm almost positive that Brooklyn Park is its own development.  It will be located to the right of Jackson Street, closer to downtown.  This project is between Jackson and Forest, on the left of Jackson if you are facing west.

Now wouldn't it be cool if the city partnered with the developers to extend the skyway and incorporate the skyway station into the new building.  It would save money and pave the way for new mass transit partnerships between the city and private developers.  The two should be built simultaneously.

[ProjectMaximus]

where is brooklyn park in relation to this project?

I'm pretty sure Brainstormer is right. These are separate projects, and BP is just to the east of this.

[Coolyfett]

I'm almost positive that Brooklyn Park is its own development.  It will be located to the right of Jackson Street, closer to downtown.  This project is between Jackson and Forest, on the left of Jackson if you are facing west.

Now wouldn't it be cool if the city partnered with the developers to extend the skyway and incorporate the skyway station into the new building.  It would save money and pave the way for new mass transit partnerships between the city and private developers.  The two should be built simultaneously.

Hmmmmm So Brooklyn Park and 200 Riverside are 2 different projects huh? When Lake says "commercial" that means like restaurants, clothing store, electronic device and etc right?

Also dumb question, but what is the difference between a TOD & TAD? What would MOSH & Main Library be classified under?

[avonjax]

Love the project just hope at some point some residential at some point will happen in Brooklyn Park.

[blizz01]

Spot on with your commercial definition; MOSH & Main Library are non-profits or institutions (I only suppose) - insight?

TOD = Transit Oriented Development
TAD = Transit Adjacent Development

Here's a cool little presentation from the Treasure Coast Regional Planning Council that differentiates the two quite nicely:
http://www.sfrrc.net/documents/TOD101-SFRRC.pdf

[jeh1980]

I definately see this happening  . Let's get it done. Keep the faith! 

[Knowbusiness]

Brooklyn Park is adjacent to this project, just to the east, directly across the street from the Haskell Building. I have looked at financing it for the developers, but that's easier said than done these days.

[Jason]

Its good to hear things from a financial side Knowbuisness.  Are you at liberty to share any more details on the situation?  If not, I completely understand.

How confident are you that this may be built?

[thelakelander]

Hmmmmm So Brooklyn Park and 200 Riverside are 2 different projects huh?

Yes, they are two indepedent developments that happen to be next to each other.

When Lake says "commercial" that means like restaurants, clothing store, electronic device and etc right?

You are correct.

Also dumb question, but what is the difference between a TOD & TAD?

TOD (Transit Oriented Development) - Mass transit is a central focus of the project.  Its designed around mass transit.  Without mass transit, this development will not happen.  If it happens, Jackson Square would be considered a TOD.

TAD (Transit Adjacent Development) - This is a new development located near a mass transit stop.  Transit can play a role in its feasibility, but its not as critical an element and the development isn't designed with a mass transit stop as the central feature.   Many of the projects JTA labels as TODs are actually TADs.  Kings Avenue Station is a prime example.  Its just as dependent on the skyway as Morton's and San Marco Place.

What would MOSH & Main Library be classified under?

Neither.  The Main Library and MOSH are not transit "dependent" development.  They would be there regardless of if transit were nearby or not.

[Knowbusiness]

Banks are not lending for this type of project unless there is a LOT of CASH equity in the deal (not equity from an enhanced land value).

This project was announced over a year ago, and nothing has happened yet. I don't see it happening in the near future.

[thelakelander]

There's a story about downtown projects being affected by the credit crisis in today's Jax Business Journal.  According to the article 200 Riverside will break ground in 2009.  Hallmark Partners claim they are moving forward because most of the office component of that project is already preleased.

Others in the article include 16:Flat, Brooklyn Park, The Library and 323 Duval.  16:Flat has died and been replaced with a 9 unit apartment project called 9 on Duval.  9 on Duval will start in 2009 if a construction loan can be secured. Brooklyn Park and the Library projects have been delayed.  The guys behind 323 Duval and the Ambassador Hotel still plan to move forward with those projects but they won't break ground until construction starts on the courthouse.

[ProjectMaximus]

There's a story about downtown projects being affected by the credit crisis in today's Jax Business Journal.  According to the article 200 Riverside will break ground in 2009.  Hallmark Partners claim they are moving forward because most of the office component of that project is already preleased.

Others in the article include 16:Flat, Brooklyn Park, The Library and 323 Duval.  16:Flat has died and been replaced with a 9 unit apartment project called 9 on Duval.  9 on Duval will start in 2009 if a construction loan can be secured. Brooklyn Park and the Library projects have been delayed.  The guys behind 323 Duval and the Ambassador Hotel still plan to move forward with those projects but they won't break ground until construction starts on the courthouse.

can you link to the story? I didn't see it.

[thelakelander]

Its in a special handout.  I'll scan and post it.