DIA wants the Landing to start with a park

[Steve]

I wonder if the other development pad is disappearing, or maybe being RFP'd later separately.

DIA/COJ is currently in the middle of a lawsuit to try to take back Sisters City Plaza from Mainstreet.

This parcel here: 
https://www.thejaxsonmag.com/article/hyatt-place-tower-preparing-to-break-ground-in-downtown/

The northwest portion of the former Landing space is still entirely dependent on the result of that lawsuit (which likely will take years to settle).  If COJ can take back the property, then Water Street/Independent Street will be realigned to make way for more developable land at the former Landing site.  You really can't (or more accurately, shouldn't) RFP something until you know what the size of the PAD will actually be. 

That sounds familiar.....looking to see the Ford on Bay thread.

[jaxjaguar]

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/dia-releases-bid-terms-for-1-acre-private-development-at-former-landing-site

I wonder if the other development pad is disappearing, or maybe being RFP'd later separately.

Do you guys agree with the DIA that hotel or office tower is preferable to multifamily for the pad adjacent to the Main Street Bridge?

I think ideally this would be a 20-25 story building 50/50 split hotel and apartments. It would add some density to an area that really needs it and hotel guests the impression the area is more than just a riverfront park for the homeless.

[heights unknown]

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/dia-releases-bid-terms-for-1-acre-private-development-at-former-landing-site

I wonder if the other development pad is disappearing, or maybe being RFP'd later separately.

Do you guys agree with the DIA that hotel or office tower is preferable to multifamily for the pad adjacent to the Main Street Bridge?

I think ideally this would be a 20-25 story building 50/50 split hotel and apartments. It would add some density to an area that really needs it and hotel guests the impression the area is more than just a riverfront park for the homeless.

Wasn't Office integration mentioned as well? If there's office integrated in there as well, then we're talking maybe a little taller than 20-25 stories. You all (y'all) know I'm a height freak AND that I am salivating.

[vicupstate]

There is a local company that is very interested in that PAD site for a new office tower.

I take it this company will be filling most (or all) of  this space THEMSELVES, because the demand for Class A office space in DT JAX would not support the construction of a spec building.   

[vicupstate]

I don't get the idea that Multi-family requires more parking than a hotel or office building would. Am I missing something?

[jaxlongtimer]

There is a local company that is very interested in that PAD site for a new office tower.

I take it this company will be filling most (or all) of  this space THEMSELVES, because the demand for Class A office space in DT JAX would not support the construction of a spec building.

I would think Vystar might be a candidate.  I recall they once said they may need still more space to accommodate their growth and/or joint ventures/investments in related businesses.  It would also make sense given its proximity to its existing spaces.  And, it appears they have the resources to do this along with a commitment to further promoting downtown.  With their new parking garage, they might also be able to limit parking on the Landing site.

[fsu813]

There is a local company that is very interested in that PAD site for a new office tower.

I take it this company will be filling most (or all) of  this space THEMSELVES, because the demand for Class A office space in DT JAX would not support the construction of a spec building.

I would think Vystar might be a candidate.

You don't say...

[acme54321]

They must be pretty serious if the city put this RFP out there for them.

[Ken_FSU]

I wonder if the other development pad is disappearing, or maybe being RFP'd later separately.

DIA/COJ is currently in the middle of a lawsuit to try to take back Sisters City Plaza from Mainstreet.

This parcel here: 
https://www.thejaxsonmag.com/article/hyatt-place-tower-preparing-to-break-ground-in-downtown/

The northwest portion of the former Landing space is still entirely dependent on the result of that lawsuit (which likely will take years to settle).  If COJ can take back the property, then Water Street/Independent Street will be realigned to make way for more developable land at the former Landing site.  You really can't (or more accurately, shouldn't) RFP something until you know what the size of the PAD will actually be. 

Do you guys agree with the DIA that hotel or office tower is preferable to multifamily for the pad adjacent to the Main Street Bridge?

There is a local company that is very interested in that PAD site for a new office tower.

Thanks for the info Mike!

Had totally forgotten about that Hyatt Place proposal.

I'm sure you can't say who on the local company, but would they be new to downtown?

[Ken_FSU]

Oof.

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/dia-receives-single-bid-for-1-acre-private-development-at-riverfront-plaza

[heights unknown]

Wow. Let's see what happens here. New York. Should be a google eyed mind blowing presentation. The Wells Fargo Building should motivate "Lions" to push high with this building/skyscraper. I hope Boyer and Company keep an open mind on this one presentation; kind of wonder why no one else around the country bit except maybe because the location being Jacksonville Florida (sigh).

[heights unknown]

Any word or ANYTHING from that local company that was interested?

[Ken_FSU]

I hope Boyer and Company keep an open mind on this one presentation; kind of wonder why no one else around the country bit for the exception of the location being Jacksonville Florida (sigh).

The DIA heavily weighted RFP scoring toward a 15+ story hotel or office tower, neither of which there is particular demand for in downtown Jacksonville right now.

Maybe that scared some potential bidders off.

Ironically, based on the bidder, you've got to think that the sole respondent has likely proposed a residential development.

[MusicMan]

IMO just leave it as a nice green space for now. No need to develop it, There are SO DAMN MANY projects in the works downtown right now that really need to be completed before we put another proposal before the people.

[jaxlongtimer]

I wonder if resiliency issues didn't also scare some bidders off.  It is almost a certainty this land will be underwater at some point during the life of any building on the property.  Remember, the Wells Fargo building underground garage filled with water and the building was closed for several months due to the flooding of its infrastructure during Irma.

Ennis needs to post some historic photos to verify if this is dredged land, which I believe it is.

P.S. How was parking for such a building expected to be addressed?

Here is the look from Irma when the Landing was there:



And, about the same spot, during Hurricane Dora in 1964:



Some other pictures from irma: