DeSantis Promoting Thought Police

[Adam White]

Thanks for that.  I too served on several faculties including UNF. the vast majority of professors are doing their jobs the best they can.

Pretty sure Bridge Troll is a former Professor Emeritus at Trump University.

He most certainly is not. He's a good guy and not that it matters, but he's made it clear here and elsewhere that he's not a Trump supporter.

I'd have a beer with him, or any of you  . I think Bridge and I likely agree on most positions and simply differ on how to approach solutions. Couldn't ask for a better discussion. It's sorely needed in this country.

Yeah, we can all get a bit snarky and tone can be hard to read online. But I don't doubt most of the people on this forum would get along just fine in person.

And for the record, I'm not really an asshole, I just play one online.

[BridgeTroll]

Thanks for that.  I too served on several faculties including UNF. the vast majority of professors are doing their jobs the best they can.

Pretty sure Bridge Troll is a former Professor Emeritus at Trump University.

He most certainly is not. He's a good guy and not that it matters, but he's made it clear here and elsewhere that he's not a Trump supporter.

I'd have a beer with him, or any of you  . I think Bridge and I likely agree on most positions and simply differ on how to approach solutions. Couldn't ask for a better discussion. It's sorely needed in this country.

Lol... I  know I have had a beer with some of you... years ago in the former iteration of Metro Jax I would occasionally join the owners meetings with Lakelander, Lunican, Ock, Steve, and others.  I have been a Mod on this site for many years... discussing viewpoints in a civil manner is one of this sites best attributes. I frequent local watering holes and restaurants from Murray Hill, Springfield, San Marcos, and less frequently than the past... downtown.

In the past... I was career Navy, and career IT professional and cyber security specialist.  I once was a unapologetic middle of the road republican. That ended 5 or 6 years ago and I have been a man without political affiliation ever since.  To say that I am disgusted and disappointed with american politics is a gross understatement.

Civil discussion is good. No side has a monopoly on correct viewpoints and understanding the other side may help everyone later on...

[JeffreyS]

It's why I am no longer a registered republican. That party went down the rat hole when they nominated trump. Democrats offer me nothing either so I'm officially an Independent. Soooo... while you guys take issue with my "both parties do it " argument... I don't because it's the truth. My position regarding the survey program remains the same.  Surveys are good and the folks protesting the legislation probably are afraid of what the responses will be...

I'm afraid of the funding threat Desantis made at the press announcement. That's the part to me that said "you will be punished or rewarded based on what you think". It sounded very much like thought police when he spoke. 

[jaxlongtimer]

Another DeSantis "law" that was designed to control "thought" is failing in the courts.  He is truly wasting Florida taxpayers' money with all his outrageous and unconstitutional "laws" that one by one are likely to get struck down. 

He has tried to regulate, intimidate and/or limit free expression and/or flow of information in schools, colleges & universities, the media, protests and with State employees.  Nazi propagandist, Joseph Goebbels, would be proud.  Wonder if DeSantis will set the record for most initiatives ruled unconstitutional.

Federal judge blocks Florida's social media law

A federal judge on Wednesday granted a preliminary injunction against Florida's new social media law, which conservatives had seized on as a way to combat perceived censorship by online platforms toward former President Donald Trump following the Jan. 6 Capitol riots.

Set to go into effect Thursday, the law, FL SB 7072, was a top priority of Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis and would make it easier for the state's election commission to fine social media companies that banned political candidates in the run-up to an election, with penalties ranging from $25,000 to $250,000 a day.

The ruling: District Court Judge Robert Hinkle said that it was likely the plaintiffs — tech industry groups NetChoice and the Computer and Communications Industry Association, which count major platforms like Facebook, Twitter and Google among their members — would prevail in their claim that the law was unconstitutional due to the First Amendment. Legal experts had been quick to question the validity of the law when it was signed last month.

"The legislation now at issue was an effort to rein in social-media providers deemed too large and too liberal," Hinkle wrote in his opinion. "Balancing the exchange of ideas among private speakers is not a legitimate governmental interest."...

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/30/judge-block-florida-social-media-law-497442

[BridgeTroll]

Rofl... Goebbels...

[Peter Griffin]

Nazi propagandist, Joseph Goebbels, would be proud.

Get a grip, pal

[Adam White]

Nazi propagandist, Joseph Goebbels, would be proud.

Get a grip, pal

[BridgeTroll]

The last sentence says it all...

https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2021/05/12/poll-show-desantis-on-solid-ground-as-democrats-try-to-find-openings-1381609

[Peter Griffin]

Nazi propagandist, Joseph Goebbels, would be proud.

Get a grip, pal

Wow, it's like I'm really on Twitter! Snarky GIF replies and overwrought Nazi comparisons and all!

[Adam White]

Nazi propagandist, Joseph Goebbels, would be proud.

Get a grip, pal

Wow, it's like I'm really on Twitter! Snarky GIF replies and overwrought Nazi comparisons and all!

Sorry - not meant to be snarky! Your "get a grip, pal" comment reminded me of an episode of Brooklyn Nine-Nine. I guess you aren't a fan?

[Peter Griffin]

Nazi propagandist, Joseph Goebbels, would be proud.

Get a grip, pal

Wow, it's like I'm really on Twitter! Snarky GIF replies and overwrought Nazi comparisons and all!

Sorry - not meant to be snarky! Your "get a grip, pal" comment reminded me of an episode of Brooklyn Nine-Nine. I guess you aren't a fan?

No worries, I misinterpreted snark and sent it right back, my bad also.

I love Brooklyn Nine-Nine

I gotta go back and rewatch some now...

[Adam White]

Nazi propagandist, Joseph Goebbels, would be proud.

Get a grip, pal

Wow, it's like I'm really on Twitter! Snarky GIF replies and overwrought Nazi comparisons and all!

Sorry - not meant to be snarky! Your "get a grip, pal" comment reminded me of an episode of Brooklyn Nine-Nine. I guess you aren't a fan?

No worries, I misinterpreted snark and sent it right back, my bad also.

I love Brooklyn Nine-Nine

I gotta go back and rewatch some now...

I am a huge fan. Looking forward to the final season. That 'eat a jerk, pal' bit is from the one with the hot crossword guy that Amy has a crush on (apparently played by her real-life husband).

[vicupstate]

Another DeSantis "law" that was designed to control "thought" is failing in the courts.  He is truly wasting Florida taxpayers' money with all his outrageous and unconstitutional "laws" that one by one are likely to get struck down. 

He has tried to regulate, intimidate and/or limit free expression and/or flow of information in schools, colleges & universities, the media, protests and with State employees.  Nazi propagandist, Joseph Goebbels, would be proud.  Wonder if DeSantis will set the record for most initiatives ruled unconstitutional.

Federal judge blocks Florida's social media law

A federal judge on Wednesday granted a preliminary injunction against Florida's new social media law, which conservatives had seized on as a way to combat perceived censorship by online platforms toward former President Donald Trump following the Jan. 6 Capitol riots.

Set to go into effect Thursday, the law, FL SB 7072, was a top priority of Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis and would make it easier for the state's election commission to fine social media companies that banned political candidates in the run-up to an election, with penalties ranging from $25,000 to $250,000 a day.

The ruling: District Court Judge Robert Hinkle said that it was likely the plaintiffs — tech industry groups NetChoice and the Computer and Communications Industry Association, which count major platforms like Facebook, Twitter and Google among their members — would prevail in their claim that the law was unconstitutional due to the First Amendment. Legal experts had been quick to question the validity of the law when it was signed last month.

"The legislation now at issue was an effort to rein in social-media providers deemed too large and too liberal," Hinkle wrote in his opinion. "Balancing the exchange of ideas among private speakers is not a legitimate governmental interest."...

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/30/judge-block-florida-social-media-law-497442

Maybe there should be a 'clawback' on the salaries of officials (executive and legislative) that pass laws that get stuck down by the courts. After all it's not like they don't have lawyers that vet this stuff, and it does waste millions of dollars being litigated.  Money that could actually be spent on doing something good. They would have to decide it it is worth working without pay, to throw red meat to their supporters.   

[vicupstate]

Nazi propagandist, Joseph Goebbels, would be proud.

Get a grip, pal

This country is sliding in the direction of fascism and that should alarm all of us.

[jaxlongtimer]

Rofl... Goebbels...

Nazi propagandist, Joseph Goebbels, would be proud.

Get a grip, pal

My references were to Goebbels, the Nazi propagandist, not his other role as a Nazi leader that contributed to the regime's war effort and atrocities in other ways.

Below are some snippets regarding Goebbels propagandist role in the Nazi regime from a lengthy Wikipedia article (he was guilty of much worse crimes against humanity).

If you can't find some parallels to the actions of DeSantis, Trump and other select elected officials in our country today it only proves my position about how dangerous their actions are.  It's a slippery slope from today's defilement of the opposition and marginalized groups to the type of hell dictators of the past have brought their citizens. 

My point is we need to be forever vigilant and nip these type of actions in the bud.  Learn from our history as it can be repeated and it "can happen here."

After the Nazis came to power in 1933, Goebbels's Propaganda Ministry quickly gained and exerted control over the news media, arts, and information in Germany.

Goebbels adapted recent developments in commercial advertising to the political sphere, including the use of catchy slogans and subliminal cues.[60] His new ideas for poster design included using large type, red ink, and cryptic headers that encouraged the reader to examine the fine print to determine the meaning....

Like Hitler, Goebbels practised his public speaking skills in front of a mirror. Meetings were preceded by ceremonial marches and singing, and the venues were decorated with party banners. His entrance (almost always late) was timed for maximum emotional impact. Goebbels usually meticulously planned his speeches ahead of time, using pre-planned and choreographed inflection and gestures, but he was also able to improvise and adapt his presentation to make a good connection with his audience.[63][62] He used loudspeakers, decorative flames, uniforms, and marches to attract attention to speeches.[64]...

Goebbels' tactic of using provocation to bring attention to the Nazi Party, along with violence at the public party meetings and demonstrations, led the Berlin police to ban the Nazi Party from the city on 5 May 1927....

Goebbels wrote in his diary that the Nazis must gain power and exterminate Marxism....

Many of Goebbels' campaign posters used violent imagery such as a giant half-clad male destroying political opponents or other perceived enemies such as "International High Finance"....

The role of the new ministry, which set up its offices in the 18th-century Ordenspalais across from the Reich Chancellery, was to centralise Nazi control of all aspects of German cultural and intellectual life.[112] Goebbels hoped to increase popular support of the party from the 37 per cent achieved at the last free election held in Germany on 25 March 1933 to 100 per cent support. An unstated goal was to present to other nations the impression that the Nazi Party had the full and enthusiastic backing of the entire population....

Goebbels converted the 1 May holiday from a celebration of workers' rights (observed as such especially by the communists) into a day celebrating the Nazi Party....

The law required journalists to "regulate their work in accordance with National Socialism as a philosophy of life and as a conception of government."[126]...

The propaganda ministry was organised into seven departments: administration and legal; mass rallies, public health, youth, and race; radio; national and foreign press; films and film censorship; art, music, and theatre; and protection against counter-propaganda, both foreign and domestic....

Goebbels promoted the development of films with a Nazi slant, and ones that contained subliminal or overt propaganda messages....

As in the film industry, anyone wishing to pursue a career in these fields had to be a member of the corresponding chamber. In this way anyone whose views were contrary to the regime could be excluded from working in their chosen field and thus silenced....

A committee was established to censor books, and works could not be re-published unless they were on the list of approved works. Similar regulations applied to other fine arts and entertainment; even cabaret performances were censored.[137] Many German artists and intellectuals left Germany in the pre-war years rather than work under these restrictions.[....

Through technical devices like the radio and loudspeaker, 80 million people were deprived of independent thought."[142]...

A major focus of Nazi propaganda was Hitler himself, who was glorified as a heroic and infallible leader and became the focus of a cult of personality....

From May onwards, he orchestrated a campaign against Poland, fabricating stories about atrocities against ethnic Germans in Danzig and other cities....

Goebbels used his propaganda ministry and the Reich chambers to control access to information domestically....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels