DeSantis Promoting Thought Police

[BridgeTroll]

Here is an article by.     With a very long list of canceled or fired professors and the circumstances that contributed to their removal...

https://www.nas.org/blogs/article/tracking-cancel-culture-in-higher-education

[Adam White]

Conservatives have made the grave error of turning to government coercion to defend against what they view as an all-out assault on their cultural values. The problem with that is that it cedes power to a government that won't always be aligned with their political persuasions. Ceding power to government always erodes freedom, and if you allow it to happen in furtherance of your ideology today, don't be surprised when it's used against you in the future.

Culture is a ground-up, organic feature of a society. I personally think that the waning prevalence of religious values, two-parent households and belief in American exceptionalism is a shame, but government intervention to reinforce those values would be totally inappropriate.

If you want be free, you can't look to government as a solution for your problems. Conservatives used to understand that. Now, we are stuck picking between Democrat and Republican variations on big-government candidates.

Seriously? Jaxnole... just as an experiment (I already did it) substitute the word liberal for conservative... democrat for republican... and read it again please.

What you should find is apparently republicans are following the democrats playbook... monkey see... monkey do....

Does that make it any better? Tu quoque.

No... it doesn't. It shows our leadership are monkeys...

The focus of the discussion so far has been on students being "indoctrinated "... let's look for a moment at professors being intimidated or silenced...

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/09/academics-are-really-really-worried-about-their-freedom/615724/

That's not my point. To dismiss criticism because "the other guys does it" is fallacious. And that's what you did there. You can talk about professors being intimidated or silenced now, but your specific response to JaxNole's post was to basically say, "the Democrats do it, too".

Maybe they do. Doesn't make it right. As a libertarian (not a "Libertarian" btw), I don't really like coercion of any sort. And I don't like the slippery slope we appear to be heading down with this sort of legislation. But that's just me. A lot of people seem quite content to use big government to enforce conformity or whatever. Unless it's protecting voting rights or employment rights (for example) - then it's bad, of course. But anything to own the libtards is a good thing.

[jaxoNOLE]

Conservatives have made the grave error of turning to government coercion to defend against what they view as an all-out assault on their cultural values. The problem with that is that it cedes power to a government that won't always be aligned with their political persuasions. Ceding power to government always erodes freedom, and if you allow it to happen in furtherance of your ideology today, don't be surprised when it's used against you in the future.

Culture is a ground-up, organic feature of a society. I personally think that the waning prevalence of religious values, two-parent households and belief in American exceptionalism is a shame, but government intervention to reinforce those values would be totally inappropriate.

If you want be free, you can't look to government as a solution for your problems. Conservatives used to understand that. Now, we are stuck picking between Democrat and Republican variations on big-government candidates.

Seriously? Jaxnole... just as an experiment (I already did it) substitute the word liberal for conservative... democrat for republican... and read it again please.

What you should find is apparently republicans are following the democrats playbook... monkey see... monkey do....

Thanks for reinforcing my point. Republicans used to differentiate themselves from Democrats by marketing themselves as the party of small(er) government. By adopting the "Democrat playbook",

we are stuck picking between Democrat and Republican variations on big-government candidates.

You don't fight big government with more government, or indoctrination with more indoctrination.

[BridgeTroll]

It's why I am no longer a registered republican. That party went down the rat hole when they nominated trump. Democrats offer me nothing either so I'm officially an Independent. Soooo... while you guys take issue with my "both parties do it " argument... I don't because it's the truth. My position regarding the survey program remains the same.  Surveys are good and the folks protesting the legislation probably are afraid of what the responses will be...

[BridgeTroll]

Getting back to the issue... are you ok with canceling or silencing professors or students who are not conforming to the popular group speak?  Sounds like many of you are...

[Adam White]

Getting back to the issue... are you ok with canceling or silencing professors or students who are not conforming to the popular group speak?  Sounds like many of you are...

Not sure what happened to my other reply - seems like maybe it was deleted. Anyway, to answer your question, see Reply #33.

https://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,36981.msg512665.html#msg512665

[Charles Hunter]

Getting back to the issue... are you ok with canceling or silencing professors or students who are not conforming to the popular group speak?  Sounds like many of you are...

Don't think I've said that. But, no I am not OK with silencing those "who are not conforming to the popular group speak." I am also not OK with professors espousing fiction as fact - for example, that systemic racism is not a part of American history (and the present). 

I am also not OK with the government (and specifically the Governor) threatening funding if the results of these surveys are not to their liking.  Are you?

[MusicMan]

Bridge Troll.....try reading the damn article.   When pressed for specifics the Gov had none, just some parents that were upset....
This is the party of Trump......the guy who paid $25 million to settle a class action lawsuit brought by his own customers for God's sake.

This was not brought forth because professors were complaining...it's just more Republican bullshit..... like all the other new laws D Santis is creating..... there is no issue but lets make one! 

Please provide a list of all the professors whose voices are being cancelled. PLEASE! 

[BridgeTroll]

Bridge Troll.....try reading the damn article.   When pressed for specifics the Gov had none, just some parents that were upset....
This is the party of Trump......the guy who paid $25 million to settle a class action lawsuit brought by his own customers for God's sake.

This was not brought forth because professors were complaining...it's just more Republican bullshit..... like all the other new laws D Santis is creating..... there is no issue but lets make one! 

Please provide a list of all the professors whose voices are being cancelled. PLEASE! 

I did... I also provided two articles that YOU CLEARLY DIDNT READ.

New laws like the cpr legislation he just signed?

[MusicMan]

From your article:

"Academic administrators, students, and even professors risk "cancellation" when expressing viewpoints deemed unacceptable by the progressive ideologues ruling our colleges and universities. "

Glad it's so even handed.............what a joke. Actually, it's what passes for ___________  in your universe, but it worthless political hackism at best.

Why not just link to Hannity or his cohorts. 

[BridgeTroll]

From your srticle:

"Academic administrators, students, and even professors risk "cancellation" when expressing viewpoints deemed unacceptable by the progressive ideologues ruling our colleges and universities. "

Glad it's so even handed.............what a joke.

I guess the joke is on the professors fired...

[Tacachale]

^Again, I work at a university, and the perceived threat just doesn't match up to anything I've seen or read about. We already know most professors are liberal. And some are bad, for this or other reasons. But the vast majority of professors I know, have worked with, or met fully believe it's unethical to try and insert their own political beliefs into the classroom. And the studies are showing that if anyone's doing it, it's not effective, as students aren't experiencing radical changes in their beliefs -- and are in fact more likely to come out more respectful of others' beliefs.

I certainly don't approve of professors getting fired or punished for saying the wrong thing. It's the other side to the coin the governor is dealing right now. On the other hand I've never personally seen it happen. Looking through the first several entries from your link (https://www.nas.org/blogs/article/tracking-cancel-culture-in-higher-education), it shows few were fired or punished. In multiple cases, the universities released statements defending the professors' rights to free speech despite disapproving of what they said, and in one case, they gave him a diversity award. At any rate I don't see this as enough of a problem to require government action, and more than I see the need for DeSantis's political surveys.

EDIT: I do want to reiterate that in the two cases I read where the professors were fired or pushed out, it was bullshit. Shouldn't have happened and academics should be outraged. Though it should be said that government action wouldn't have affected them, as they happened at a private university and at the journal of a private medical association.

[MusicMan]

Thanks for that.  I too served on several faculties including UNF. the vast majority of professors are doing their jobs the best they can.

Pretty sure Bridge Troll is a former Professor Emeritus at Trump University.

[Tacachale]

Thanks for that.  I too served on several faculties including UNF. the vast majority of professors are doing their jobs the best they can.

Pretty sure Bridge Troll is a former Professor Emeritus at Trump University.

He most certainly is not. He's a good guy and not that it matters, but he's made it clear here and elsewhere that he's not a Trump supporter.

[jaxoNOLE]

Thanks for that.  I too served on several faculties including UNF. the vast majority of professors are doing their jobs the best they can.

Pretty sure Bridge Troll is a former Professor Emeritus at Trump University.

He most certainly is not. He's a good guy and not that it matters, but he's made it clear here and elsewhere that he's not a Trump supporter.

I'd have a beer with him, or any of you  . I think Bridge and I likely agree on most positions and simply differ on how to approach solutions. Couldn't ask for a better discussion. It's sorely needed in this country.