The Shipyards: 20 Years of Renderings

[thelakelander]

For over 140 years, East Bay Street was home to one of the largest shipbuilding operations on the east coast. Since 1992, this site has become known as a field where revitalization dreams come to die a bitter death. Here's a brief look at the site's past, present and possible future.

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[marcuscnelson]

Another one bites the dust.

Looking back, that idea to have the Hart ramp spiral down was the best of both worlds. Still using the ramps but also not turning Bay Street into a street-level expressway.

Also, it's weird that until that comment in the other thread, I really hadn't considered the possibility of just... doing nothing. The city just ignoring the Shipyards for now (since we can't seem to get anything built on it anyway) and actually truly focusing on the urban core itself. Now that I've thought of it, it actually makes a lot of sense.

[thelakelander]

It would be better for the Northbank to close all the ramps and run as much traffic down Bay Street, through the heart of downtown as possible. If people want retail, dining, etc., more traffic (both auto and pedestrian) is a good thing....and desperately needed.

[marcuscnelson]

I agree Lake, I just figure that if they really don't want to demo or close the ramps, the spiral is a much better option than the street-level expressway of the current plan. Hence best of both worlds.

[Charles Hunter]

Doesn't "the spiral" eat up a good portion of the land adjacent to Hogan's Creek in the latest proposed swap for Metro Park? Does the 'swap' proposal take into account this highway interchange; or is it based on the current, vacant, condition?

[marcuscnelson]

I'm pretty sure it's based on either the current condition or the more recent ramp proposal. I'm just saying that if there absolutely must be a ramp, the spiral is a better option than the recent version in my opinion. If no ramp at all is an option, we should do that instead.

[Lostwave]

I think they should keep the ramps as planned, but make them pedestrian and clown car only.  Could park food trucks along there maybe setup picnic tables.  Great views and festive party site.

[Charles Hunter]

I think they should keep the ramps as planned, but make them pedestrian and clown car only.  Could park food trucks along there maybe setup picnic tables.  Great views and festive party site.

If they are going to keep them, I think this is a good idea and may eliminate the need for the big ramps at A. Philip Randolph, just some pedestrian ramps.

[Steve]

I think they should keep the ramps as planned, but make them pedestrian and clown car only.  Could park food trucks along there maybe setup picnic tables.  Great views and festive party site.

If they are going to keep them, I think this is a good idea and may eliminate the need for the big ramps at A. Philip Randolph, just some pedestrian ramps.

Don't even need ramps at all. A staircase and 2 elevators would probably be just as cost effective.

[jaxlongtimer]

I have to say, after looking at the renderings you posted, I found the Landmar ones most appealing.  Just seemed to me to be more warm, livable, at a decent human scale and Florida-like.

I note some of the others had multi-story buildings projecting into the water via the piers which I find overly intrusive to river views while the scale of some of the buildings close to the riverfront seemed overbearing that close to the sea level scale of the river (see the Hyatt for another example).  In fact, I thought the Iguana renderings were my least favorite by far - way too overbearing across the board.  Looks like they wanted to squeeze every dollar out of the property (surprise, surprise!).

[vicupstate]

I have to say, after looking at the renderings you posted, I found the Landmar ones most appealing.  Just seemed to me to be more warm, livable, at a decent human scale and Florida-like.

I note some of the others had multi-story buildings projecting into the water via the piers which I find overly intrusive to river views while the scale of some of the buildings close to the riverfront seemed overbearing that close to the sea level scale of the river (see the Hyatt for another example).  In fact, I thought the Iguana renderings were my least favorite by far - way too overbearing across the board.  Looks like they wanted to squeeze every dollar out of the property (surprise, surprise!).

I thought the Trilegacy design was the most timeless and appealing. I wish someone would have just picked that one up when it was left off.