JAX potential new host of 2020 GOP convention

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BridgeTroll

#225
July 22, 2020, 05:34:11 PM
Let me just add... for the record...I am not a Trump supporter.  I am not a "Trumplican".  I  am a pretty run of the mill old fashioned republican... an admittedly rare creature these days
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

Charles Hunter

#226
July 22, 2020, 06:29:28 PM
DHS Acting Secretary says
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"Because we don't have that local support, that local law enforcement support, we are having to go out and proactively arrest individuals," Wolf said during an interview on Fox News. "And we need to do that because we need to hold them accountable."

So the Feds are arresting people who have not committed any crimes as yet
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proactive - acting in anticipation of future problems, needs, or changes (Mirriam Webster)



and why?
"to hold them accountable"
Hold who accountable? From the context, it sounds like the Republican Administration wants to hold the Democratic leadership of these cities accountable.

jaxlongtimer

#227
July 22, 2020, 06:42:00 PM Last Edit: July 22, 2020, 06:46:28 PM by jaxlongtimer
Quote from: BridgeTroll on July 22, 2020, 01:46:58 PM
Quote from: Charles Hunter on July 22, 2020, 10:46:23 AM
A few squads of Trump's Stormtroopers should keep things calm.  "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges!"


Stormtroopers??  Triggered?  I see Homeland Security protecting federal properties from vandalism and burning... local seem incapable or unwilling to provide the security expected of them...

From reports I have read, they are not limiting their efforts to protecting Federal properties (which I believe most everyone would understand and support) but actively going into the streets, confronting protesters, journalists and even bystanders, etc. with excessive force with no or little provocation.

How about the retired Navy veteran who peacefully tried to talk with them and was beaten and had several fingers broken even though he deliberately offered no resistance to such actions?  Too many examples of this.

Add, they are in unmarked vehicles with no ID's and uniforms that don't even identify the agency they work for and that match ones you can buy on the internet?  And, they suddenly jump out of these vehicles and whisk people away wholesale in the same manner a kidnapper would.  If that happened to you, how traumatized would you be?

Sure, there are likely a few vandals in the crowd, but the response should match the threat.  This response has rarely, if ever, been witnessed in this country.  It reminds people of Gestopo tactics, especially as many of these units are ill-prepared-for-civil-unrest paramilitary, not civilian-style, enforcers.

Thus, the outrage.

itsfantastic1

#228
July 22, 2020, 07:02:37 PM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on July 22, 2020, 05:34:11 PM
Let me just add... for the record...I am not a Trump supporter.  I am not a "Trumplican".  I  am a pretty run of the mill old fashioned republican... an admittedly rare creature these days

If you are, then the federal government arresting Americans with questionable tactics and shaky legal reasoning in a city that doesn't reflect the current federal government political structure should scare the shit out of you more than damage to buildings.

https://lawandcrime.com/legal-analysis/two-dhs-officials-apparently-just-admitted-their-troops-have-been-violating-the-constitution/

thelakelander

#229
July 22, 2020, 07:17:15 PM
Potentially bad optics with this move if true. Sticking the RNC protest zone in the middle of a marginalized black residential neighborhood and in the middle of a covid pandemic? With all of our vacant properties and parking lots in downtown, there has to be a better location for this.

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2020/07/22/where-jacksonville-plans-to-contain-rnc-protesters/
"A man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life." - Muhammad Ali

JeffreyS

#230
July 22, 2020, 08:28:00 PM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on July 22, 2020, 01:46:58 PM
Quote from: Charles Hunter on July 22, 2020, 10:46:23 AM
A few squads of Trump's Stormtroopers should keep things calm.  "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges!"


Stormtroopers??  Triggered?  I see Homeland Security protecting federal properties from vandalism and burning... local seem incapable or unwilling to provide the security expected of them...

I'm not so against Feds assisting but they need to uniformed as law enforcement, abide the 4th amendment and arrests need to be by the book with access to legal representation.
Lenny Smash

vicupstate

#231
July 22, 2020, 09:18:11 PM
QuoteUndercover operations are fairly routine  correct?  Sounds like at least 3 of you are Ok with vandalizing and burning federal properties. It is apparent that without a federal presence the rioters will force entry and destroy the facilities... In this and every country on earth this will get you arrested and tear gassed...

Undercover is typically for recon and evidence gathering, not the actual arrest and detainment. Let's be honest, these protest were losing steam and the DHS moving in dramatically increased the crowds and unrest. It is all for Trump's commercials to drive a narrative of lawlessness.   
"The problem with quotes on the internet is you can never be certain they're authentic." - Abraham Lincoln

vicupstate

#232
July 22, 2020, 09:18:43 PM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on July 22, 2020, 05:34:11 PM
Let me just add... for the record...I am not a Trump supporter.  I am not a "Trumplican".  I  am a pretty run of the mill old fashioned republican... an admittedly rare creature these days

Let me guess you voted for Gary Johnson?
"The problem with quotes on the internet is you can never be certain they're authentic." - Abraham Lincoln

BridgeTroll

#233
July 23, 2020, 06:39:10 AM
Quote from: vicupstate on July 22, 2020, 09:18:43 PM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on July 22, 2020, 05:34:11 PM
Let me just add... for the record...I am not a Trump supporter.  I am not a "Trumplican".  I  am a pretty run of the mill old fashioned republican... an admittedly rare creature these days

Let me guess you voted for Gary Johnson?
Actually no... I considered both major candidates despicable and chronic liars... I wrote myself in for president.  Currently neither major party reflects most of my views on a national level so I will be inclined to do the same again.
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

BridgeTroll

#234
July 23, 2020, 06:40:54 AM
Quote from: vicupstate on July 22, 2020, 09:18:11 PM
QuoteUndercover operations are fairly routine  correct?  Sounds like at least 3 of you are Ok with vandalizing and burning federal properties. It is apparent that without a federal presence the rioters will force entry and destroy the facilities... In this and every country on earth this will get you arrested and tear gassed...

Undercover is typically for recon and evidence gathering, not the actual arrest and detainment. Let's be honest, these protest were losing steam and the DHS moving in dramatically increased the crowds and unrest. It is all for Trump's commercials to drive a narrative of lawlessness.   

The "protest" in Portland was not losing steam...
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

BridgeTroll

#235
July 23, 2020, 06:50:55 AM
Quote from: JeffreyS on July 22, 2020, 08:28:00 PM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on July 22, 2020, 01:46:58 PM
Quote from: Charles Hunter on July 22, 2020, 10:46:23 AM
A few squads of Trump's Stormtroopers should keep things calm.  "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges!"


Stormtroopers??  Triggered?  I see Homeland Security protecting federal properties from vandalism and burning... local seem incapable or unwilling to provide the security expected of them...

I'm not so against Feds assisting but they need to uniformed as law enforcement, abide the 4th amendment and arrests need to be by the book with access to legal representation.

The one reputable instance I read about... the person was arrested, read rights, and subsequently released. I've read a lot of hearsay... and breathless hyperbole using terms like "stormtroopers" and such. Stop destroying property and they will go away.
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

BridgeTroll

#236
July 23, 2020, 07:12:49 AM
Quote from: thelakelander on July 22, 2020, 07:17:15 PM
Potentially bad optics with this move if true. Sticking the RNC protest zone in the middle of a marginalized black residential neighborhood and in the middle of a covid pandemic? With all of our vacant properties and parking lots in downtown, there has to be a better location for this.

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2020/07/22/where-jacksonville-plans-to-contain-rnc-protesters/

Don't worry Lake... they will not be able to contain or control the "protesters"... Perhaps the peaceful group's will comply but the group's who will travel here to "protest" will be at Hemming Park. Too many juicy targets and admittedly not enough cops... err... stormtroopers...
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

thelakelander

#237
July 23, 2020, 07:27:29 AM Last Edit: July 23, 2020, 07:30:08 AM by thelakelander
I find the idea of actually directing people from across a covid stricken country to congregate in a vunerable African American residential community to be unaware to what's been going on around the world the last few months. No wonder there's long time distrust in the community. Talk about getting beat upside the head with the short end of the stick. We certainly have enough empty lots and surface parking lots for people to gather without exposing some of our most disenfranchised communities to any type of additional risk. I'm sure an Ortega, Riverside, Springfield or San Marco would be highly upset if they were targeted for this.
"A man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life." - Muhammad Ali

BridgeTroll

#238
July 23, 2020, 07:36:31 AM
Quote from: thelakelander on July 23, 2020, 07:27:29 AM
I find the idea of actually directing people from across a covid stricken country to congregate in a vunerable African American residential community to be unaware to what's been going on around the world the last few months. No wonder there's long time distrust in the community. Talk about getting beat upside the head with the short end of the stick. We certainly have enough empty lots and surface parking lots for people to gather without exposing some of our most disenfranchised communities to any type of additional risk. I'm sure an Ortega, Riverside, Springfield or San Marco would be highly upset if they were targeted for this.

I agree Lake... I guess my point was the idea of containment and applying for permits is laughable...
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

BridgeTroll

#239
July 23, 2020, 07:39:43 AM Last Edit: July 23, 2020, 08:26:39 AM by BridgeTroll
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."
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