Jax and Coronavirus

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

So how many of you get your yearly flu shots only to come down with the flu because you weren't vaccinated for 'that particular strain'?

[Adam White]

Will you comply with a mandatory federal government Covid inoculation program if one should occur?  Would you carry your "proof of inoculation papers" to present to authorities if asked?

I'm getting in line for an inoculation as soon as one's available.

Ditto.

Day one.

Me also... but how is it enforced?  Are you issued a inoculation Card?  What about those who refuse?  Deny entry to movie theaters... busses... airlines...?  How much enforcement/intrusion is proper/appropriate?

Not sure how it will be done, but I have heard talk of people being issued certificates if they have had the vaccine or have the antibodies. At least the idea has been floated - no idea what will actually happen, of course.

[BridgeTroll]

So how many of you get your yearly flu shots only to come down with the flu because you weren't vaccinated for 'that particular strain'?

Even simpler... how many actually bother to even get the flu shot?  I'll tell you... under 50%

[Adam White]

Of course I also think people in this country should give a damn about financial education and maybe missing/reducing paychecks wouldn't be Armageddon. But based upon the pictures, at least the people waiting in food bank lines drive a better car than me...so they have that going for them.

It's a problem that goes all the way up to the top of the chain - look at all the businesses looking for bailouts and help from the government. If they had been saving their money, they'd be able to rely on that. At least that's what we tell the working poor.

And it's also worth noting that the government doesn't want people to save - they want people to spend. I recall that during the last recession that  was a concern that was actually voiced - that the gov't was concerned because people were saving money instead of spending it (due to the uncertainty). 

[Adam White]

Of course I also think people in this country should give a damn about financial education and maybe missing/reducing paychecks wouldn't be Armageddon. But based upon the pictures, at least the people waiting in food bank lines drive a better car than me...so they have that going for them.

It's a problem that goes all the way up to the top of the chain - look at all the businesses looking for bailouts and help from the government. If they had been saving their money, they'd be able to rely on that. At least that's what we tell the working poor.

And it's also worth noting that the government doesn't want people to save - they want people to spend. I recall that during the last recession that  was a concern that was actually voiced - that the gov't was concerned because people were saving money instead of spending it (due to the uncertainty). 

I agree about the top but my comment was geared to concentrating on what people can control.

Government and Wall Street is a nice marriage. One wants em dumb and dependent while the other wants to dumb em down and profit.  I don't care if people stick to their little Partisan fantasies of what little Letter is going to be their hero, But they need to take some action on improving their own situation too.

And you are correct on Government not wanting people to save. Too much of our economy depends on spending. Keep em spending. Take on more debt so they can spend more. Let's make America even greater.

I get what you mean.

[I-10east]

As of April 2020 Jax metropolitan area's unemployment rate is at 11.2 percent amid the covid 19; it is the 3rd lowest metro unemployment rate in the states 26 metros, only behind the metros of Gainesville and Tallahassee. Jax's unemployment rate is ahead of the average state rate (12.9)

Notable Florida metro areas unemployment rates

Tallahassee 8.1
Gainesville 8.9
Jacksonville 11.2
Miami 11.9
Pensacola 12.0
Tampa 13.1
West Palm Beach 13.9
Fort Lauderdale 14.5
Daytona Beach 14.7
Orlando 16.2

http://lmsresources.labormarketinfo.com/library/press/release.pdf

[I-10east]

It's good to see that Miami did so well (with all things considered) with South Florida being the hardest covid hit in the state. It's no surprise that Orlando is the most hardest hit (unemployment rate) in FL, being mainly tourist centric and all; ORL have to diversify that economy some more in the future (I'm not saying that it's anything wrong with tourist attractions).

[Lunican]

UF Health Jacksonville Covid-19 hospitalizations:

May 18:  9
May 22: 22

[BridgeTroll]

Yeah... I  have a sinking feeling that two weeks after this weekend we will have a large spike...

[Charles Hunter]

But the Mayor will keep touting "Number of Tests" as his metric, and won't reinstate any of the restrictions.

[thelakelander]

Looking at the crowds in Daytona and Clearwater Beach this weekend, and knowing people not taking this serious, there's no doubt in my mind that the numbers will be going back up.

https://www.theledger.com/news/20200524/fired-scientist-defends-covid-19-data-role

[bl8jaxnative]

Covid19 isn't viable outdoors outside of the human body.  Unless those folks are doing some mouth to mouth breathing, it's unlikely much of anyone will catch it at the beach.

Note that despite all the hoopla, it wasn't the problem for spring breakers.  Now maybe they were lucky and early.   After all, drunk college kids are known for doing some mouth to mouth breathing.

And Florida's beaches have been open since Mid-April.  With a 5 day median incubation, if this was an issue we would've already had a break out.

[thelakelander]

I'm not so sure about believing that you can't catch COVID at the beach in crowded conditions. That certainly was not the case in South Florida:

The Costly Toll of Not Shutting Down Spring Break Earlier

People got sick - and some died - after attending crowded parties and theme parks in Florida as the coronavirus spread.

Full article: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/us/florida-spring-break-coronavirus.html

While police officers are on their bikes patrolling along the roads in Fort Lauderdale and the city's beach, no one can get out in the sand thanks to closures in place. 

However, it wasn't that way several weeks ago when thousands of college students were in South Florida for spring break. The "fun in the sun parties" are now being used as an example as to why shelter in place and social distancing are so important.

Full article: https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/spring-breakers-may-have-taken-coronavirus-from-south-florida-across-u-s-data-firm/2213356/

[BridgeTroll]

Covid19 isn't viable outdoors outside of the human body.  Unless those folks are doing some mouth to mouth breathing, it's unlikely much of anyone will catch it at the beach.

Note that despite all the hoopla, it wasn't the problem for spring breakers.  Now maybe they were lucky and early.   After all, drunk college kids are known for doing some mouth to mouth breathing.

And Florida's beaches have been open since Mid-April.  With a 5 day median incubation, if this was an issue we would've already had a break out.

This is bad information

[Lunican]

Regarding those photos of people packed into a pool in Missouri or wherever it was... That's pretty disgusting even without a virus. Covid-19 can definitely spread outdoors, just not as readily as indoors. But if you are close to people all bets are off whether indoors or out. It's been proven to spread just from being near someone speaking.

This is going to be a balancing act. It's not going to be possible to stay locked down for the duration but being cautious would be helpful. This could go on for years without a miracle vaccine.