Jax and Coronavirus

I-10east · April 10, 2020, 09:37:01 PM

I think that North Florida will fair much better than the rest of the state concerning the coronavirus; lower populations overall (less international, AKA corona-laden), some counties in North Florida still may not even have corona-cases so far, less dependent on tourism, military bases to give cities like Jax, Pensacola. and Tampa (which is not in North Florida) that preparedness state of mind.

Even though Orlando isn't up to South Florida levels of corona cases, they may be the hardest hit city in Florida financially-wise; that city is overwhelmingly based off of tourism and that doesn't fair well when everyone is home avoiding a pandemic. South Florida is also a tourist mecca; with the three counties down there leading the state in corona, not good.

I think that Tampa is a more even keeled city (than Orlando or real South Florida) when it comes to not putting the whole kit and kaboodle on tourism.

BridgeTroll · April 14, 2020, 08:17:16 AM

Good morning Jaxons! Gonna be a rainy day today... Doing well here. Baked my own birthday cake from scratch yesterday. I think I did well. Garden is going full steam ahead... counted over thirty tomatoes yesterday and many flowers. Bees are happy and foraging. Found an old hummingbird feeder filled it with sugar water and put it outside a window and had a visitor within an hour...

Almost forgot... received my corona check today...

Adam White · April 14, 2020, 10:10:46 AM

Quote from: BridgeTroll on April 14, 2020, 08:17:16 AM
Good morning Jaxons! Gonna be a rainy day today... Doing well here. Baked my own birthday cake from scratch yesterday. I think I did well. Garden is going full steam ahead... counted over thirty tomatoes yesterday and many flowers. Bees are happy and foraging. Found an old hummingbird feeder filled it with sugar water and put it outside a window and had a visitor within an hour...
Almost forgot... received my corona check today...

Sounds like you're doing well - and you're turning into a real "domestic goddess". Good job!

Happy birthday, too.

BridgeTroll · April 14, 2020, 11:22:18 AM

Quote from: Adam White on April 14, 2020, 10:10:46 AM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on April 14, 2020, 08:17:16 AM
Good morning Jaxons! Gonna be a rainy day today... Doing well here. Baked my own birthday cake from scratch yesterday. I think I did well. Garden is going full steam ahead... counted over thirty tomatoes yesterday and many flowers. Bees are happy and foraging. Found an old hummingbird feeder filled it with sugar water and put it outside a window and had a visitor within an hour...
Almost forgot... received my corona check today...

Sounds like you're doing well - and you're turning into a real "domestic goddess". Good job!

Happy birthday, too.

I prefer to think that I am expanding my horizons...

Snaketoz · April 14, 2020, 03:50:08 PM

As I've been saying for a long time, I'm so glad I live in an area with very low density. Those of you who continuously call for more "urban density", should see what that lifestyle worsens. Not only crime, social problems, stress, and now disease transmission. I'll take the less crowded wide open solitude of the burbs. The most hard hit areas left there urban density and travelled to the urban density of South Florida. How is that working out? Even in sparsely populated Jacksonville the most dense zips have the highest prevalence for the same population. Compare 32207 with 32226 for example. We may not have the nightlife, the restaurants, etc., but we are healthier for it.

Steve · April 14, 2020, 04:00:13 PM

Quote from: Snaketoz on April 14, 2020, 03:50:08 PM
As I've been saying for a long time, I'm so glad I live in an area with very low density. Those of you who continuously call for more "urban density", should see what that lifestyle worsens. Not only crime, social problems, stress, and now disease transmission. I'll take the less crowded wide open solitude of the burbs. The most hard hit areas left there urban density and travelled to the urban density of South Florida. How is that working out? Even in sparsely populated Jacksonville the most dense zips have the highest prevalence for the same population. Compare 32207 with 32226 for example. We may not have the nightlife, the restaurants, etc., but we are healthier for it.

I'm not sure those are as correlated as it seems. If it was by density, then 32204 and 32208 should be leading the pack.

Obviously there is some correlation and we see it with New York, yet Tokyo is nowhere near New York.

JaxAvondale · April 14, 2020, 04:27:45 PM

Also, I think we were just fortunate. Let's be honest here. If we had FL/GA here right as New Orleans had Mardi Gras then we would be in a world of hurt and despair right now.

bl8jaxnative · April 14, 2020, 05:47:39 PM

Viruses like #covid19 can only spread in meaningfully threatening volumes if you have large numbers of people interacting over and over and over and over again in small, confined spaces.

Note that it's not the density of residential homes, it's the density of these attack vectors for the virus. The covid19 stats y'll are talking about do not speak to where the infection occured, merely to the infected's domicile. Be mindful of what is actually being measured.

And, not to be an ass, but to claim that such a thing does not _CORRELATE_ or is not _ASSOCIATED WITH_ dense urban environments, is an act of idiocy rarely displayed by people other than our beloved orange man and his frail foe, basement Joe.

MusicMan · April 14, 2020, 05:48:40 PM

Uh.... we did have The Players Championship, remember? It was cancelled, remember?

Snaketoz · April 14, 2020, 05:57:05 PM

I love my space and feel strongly that the denser the population, the more bad that potentially happens. There will be more and more New Yorkers, New Jerseyites, Chicagoites, Detroiters, etc. fleeing to the less crowded places. New Orleans is dense, ergo the most hard hit area in La. Same S/E FL. Disperse and thrive.

thelakelander · April 14, 2020, 06:26:09 PM

^That theory doesn't hold up on a per 100,000 residents basis. You're more likely to catch it in Jax than you are in San Diego, Minneapolis, Austin, Tampa or St. Petersburg. All of those places are denser. On the other hand, you're more likely to be exposed in Albany, GA than you are in Miami, New York. New Orleans, Detroit or Chicago.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html

Adam White · April 14, 2020, 06:40:34 PM

Quote from: thelakelander on April 14, 2020, 06:26:09 PM
^That theory doesn't hold up on a per 100,000 residents basis. You're more likely to catch it in Jax than you are in San Diego, Minneapolis, Austin, Tampa or St. Petersburg. All of those places are denser. On the other hand, you're more likely to be exposed in Albany, GA than you are in Miami, New York. New Orleans, Detroit or Chicago.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html

But that could be for any number of reasons - such as where the virus has spread and when. A city might be denser, but you're not going to catch the virus there if it hasn't been introduced yet.

You're looking at number of cases - that doesn't necessarily correlate to how 'easy' it is to get the virus.

thelakelander · April 14, 2020, 07:29:41 PM

Population density doesn't either. Clustering would seem to have more of a correlation. No matter the urban or suburban density, packing people in a Publix, movie theater, restaurant, cruise ship, airplane, etc. would all expose one to more of a chance of catching something, moreso than if they lived in a tri-plex, rowhouse or single family home on a 80' wide lot.

Snaketoz · April 14, 2020, 07:44:46 PM

Quote from: thelakelander on April 14, 2020, 07:29:41 PM
Population density doesn't either. Clustering would seem to have more of a correlation. No matter the urban or suburban density, packing people in a Publix, movie theater, restaurant, cruise ship, airplane, etc. would all expose one to more of a chance of catching something, moreso than if they lived in a tri-plex, rowhouse or single family home on a 80' wide lot.

Lake, Don't you think that living in an apartment building with common doors, elevator buttons, many people passing one another in halls, elevators, stairways, etc., have more of a chance to catch a virus than a person living in a 80' lot? The CDC says anyone passing within 6' of a person with Covid-19 is at risk. Density matters. Where would you feel safer....Montana or NYC?

thelakelander · April 14, 2020, 09:49:53 PM

You just threw one housing type. Then compared two extremes with Montana and the epicenter of US coronovirus outbreak spot. However, we don't live in extremes.

What about a gated community in out in the sticks in Montana that requires people to touch same buttons to enter the development, clubhouse, pool and fitness center vs a traditional rowhouse neighborhood in Charleston, WV? Two totally different densities but the housing type of one development, puts more people at risk of exposure.

So I'd rather be in a rowhouse in Harlem than an apartment complex or working in a grocery store in Helena. All I'm saying is this is way more complicated than simply saying density. There's a lot more factors at play.