Lessons Learned As Berkman 2 Dream Goes Up In Smoke

[downtownbrown]

why do you suppose it is that only news4jax has reported the impending demolition of B2?  Not a peep from any other outlet that I have seen.  One would think that this is a major developing story, wouldn't one?

[Charles Hunter]

^ nobody was shot at B2?

[Kerry]

You guys can believe whatever you want, but the fact is Lot J is still a parking lot and the ramps to the Hart Bridge are still open to traffic.  I would love to hear the theories as to why if it isn't because of JEA.

[Kerry]

why do you suppose it is that only news4jax has reported the impending demolition of B2?  Not a peep from any other outlet that I have seen.  One would think that this is a major developing story, wouldn't one?

I actually saw those 'Condemned" sign at least a few weeks ago.  Don't know why it is news now.

[Peter Griffin]

I would love to hear the theories as to why if it isn't because of JEA.

Because the design of the new roadway was JUST FINISHED and construction hasn't started so as not to interfere with the football season, and we don't even have architecture completed on the proposed buildings.

You do realize that architecture and engineering take time and precede construction, right?

[fieldafm]

why do you suppose it is that only news4jax has reported the impending demolition of B2?  Not a peep from any other outlet that I have seen.  One would think that this is a major developing story, wouldn't one?

I actually saw those 'Condemned" sign at least a few weeks ago.  Don't know why it is news now.

A resident of Berkman, who is friends with several reporters, brought it to the attention of News4Jax over the weekend. Hence, a 'story'. That same resident called in the original code violation complaint.

Berkman II won't be coming down anytime soon.  Most of the code violations cited are minor (trash, fencing, concrete rubbish in plain view, etc)
The actual

[Kerry]

I would love to hear the theories as to why if it isn't because of JEA.

Because the design of the new roadway was JUST FINISHED and construction hasn't started so as not to interfere with the football season, and we don't even have architecture completed on the proposed buildings.

You do realize that architecture and engineering take time and precede construction, right?

We probably need to take this up in the Lot J thread.

[Kerry]

why do you suppose it is that only news4jax has reported the impending demolition of B2?  Not a peep from any other outlet that I have seen.  One would think that this is a major developing story, wouldn't one?

I actually saw those 'Condemned" sign at least a few weeks ago.  Don't know why it is news now.

A resident of Berkman, who is friends with several reporters, brought it to the attention of News4Jax over the weekend. Hence, a 'story'. That same resident called in the original code violation complaint.

Berkman II won't be coming down anytime soon.  Most of the code violations cited are minor (trash, fencing, concrete rubbish in plain view, etc)

Thanks.

[Peter Griffin]

I would love to hear the theories as to why if it isn't because of JEA.

Because the design of the new roadway was JUST FINISHED and construction hasn't started so as not to interfere with the football season, and we don't even have architecture completed on the proposed buildings.

You do realize that architecture and engineering take time and precede construction, right?

We probably need to take this up in the Lot J thread.

You're the one who brought it up in this thread in the first place, but OK pal

[acme54321]

It's really just a ploy by Curry to demo the building, assess the owner for the cost, eventually sieze it for non payment, then give it to Kahn.

Duh.

[Lostwave]

You guys can believe whatever you want, but the fact is Lot J is still a parking lot and the ramps to the Hart Bridge are still open to traffic.  I would love to hear the theories as to why if it isn't because of JEA.

The reason is they were waiting on football season to be over, as was planned all along.  Both projects are on schedule and will be starting very soon... in fact there are workers on site as we speak in lot J... 

[tufsu1]

^ rumor has it the City/FDOT only got one bid for the Hart Bridge ramp demolition project - so there as yet may be a delay.

[Ken_FSU]

The reason is they were waiting on football season to be over, as was planned all along.  Both projects are on schedule and will be starting very soon... in fact there are workers on site as we speak in lot J...

I don't doubt it for the ramps, but is there even a schedule for Lot J? To the best of my knowledge, despite the "Mission Accomplished" press conference, all anybody has officially seen is a broad term sheet. A proper development agreement still needs to make its way through the DIA (which seems to be much more gun-shy about rubber-stamping projects post-JEA), City Council, and the finance committee to figure out where we're going to find $220 million. You'd think that a project like this would be subject to DDRB review as well.

Late Q2 kind of feels like a best case scenario in terms of breaking ground, just based on the magnitude of the ask and the scrutiny the full development agreement will almost certainly come under in light of recent events.

I just don't know how anything beyond the ongoing environmental testing can be scheduled at this point when there's no agreement between the city and the Jags in place.

I'm excited to see some development near the stadium, particularly the bar/restaurant component, but how long have we been hearing about it for?

2015 State of the Franchise - Shad Khan unveils his Shipyards plan
2016 State of the Franchise - Shad Khan unveils his modified Shipyards plan (absent ramp removal)
2017 State of the Franchise - Shad Khan unveils another Shipyards plan (ramps removed)
2018 State of the Franchise - Shad Khan unveils his Lot J Plan
2019 State of the Franchise - Shad Khan reveals a slightly altered Lot J Plan

Kind of feels like we're tracking toward another set of more detailed Lot J renderings for State of the Franchise 2020, with major work starting over the summer, if not later, assuming that the city approves the agreement.

[MusicMan]

So Berkman II has been condemned by COJ.  Can you imagine living in Berkman I and looking at that POS for the last decade? SMH

[downtownbrown]

actually a decade and a third