JAX/JIA updates

[Snaketoz]

Unfortunately another cut for JIA, on 10/27/19 Jetblue will be dropping the Jacksonville-D.C. Reagan National flight.

Hopefully, that will be picked up by another carrier.  I can't see how you can make money on a JAX to Grand Rapids flight when JAX-LAX failed.

[tufsu1]

Unfortunately another cut for JIA, on 10/27/19 Jetblue will be dropping the Jacksonville-D.C. Reagan National flight.

wow...very unfortunate

[Captain Zissou]

Unfortunately another cut for JIA, on 10/27/19 Jetblue will be dropping the Jacksonville-D.C. Reagan National flight.

Wow. I flew that this past weekend and it was full.

[Steve]

The JetBlue thing MIGHT not be a direct Jacksonville issue, but more of their strategy in general (I'm not sure). In the last couple months, they've dumped all their flights from Washington Dulles, will be soon dumping their Houston Hobby flights, and now seem to be trying to compete with Delta/American/Amtrak Acela on the DC-NYC-Boston runs. Given that Reagan is very tightly controlled from a gate/slot/capacity overall perspective, the JAX route may have been an innocent bystander to their larger plan (which I don't completely know).

There also may have been some fare pressure given that they compete with AA on the JAX-DCA route, and DCA is a hub for AA.

Or...something else that IS related to the market here.

Could it be a seasonal cut just over the winter?

[JAX_ASD]

I think part of the issue was the timing. With DCA being slot-restricted jetBlue wasn't able to tweak the schedule significantly enough to make it conducive for a business traveler. I also think jetBlue's overall brand awareness in DC itself is much less significant than its competition.

[fhrathore]

Delta seems to have announced a flight to RDU.

[jaxdan3]

Delta seems to have announced a flight to RDU.

Yep, some positive news for JAX. Flight is through regional jet partner GoJet starting Sep 8th. Flight from JAX is 6am and flight from RDU is 8:30 pm.

[Steve]

Good call - I missed that announcement but you're right; it's definitely bookable starting 9/8. I never thought about this but it makes sense as RDU is a Focus City for Delta. In a couple dummy bookings that flight is also available for connections to certain places as well (example JAX-RDU-CVG).

Delta is also going to 3x Daily on JAX-BOS, which is really nice as BOS is now officially a Delta Hub. In some dummy bookings, it presents some cheaper options for transatlantic flights.

Now, unless I REALLY need it you won't see me on it in the AM - 6AM Departure is ROUGH! Obviously a lot goes into route timing like gates, aircraft, crew, etc. but my lord.

[jaxdan3]

Delta is also going to 3x Daily on JAX-BOS, which is really nice as BOS is now officially a Delta Hub. In some dummy bookings, it presents some cheaper options for transatlantic flights.

Delta and Jetblue seem to be in a real battle for JAX-BOS dominance.  Jetblue is dropping from 3/day to 2/day but upgauging those 2 flights from 100 seater E190s to 150 seat A320s so basically the same capacity as before. 

[Steve]

Delta is also going to 3x Daily on JAX-BOS, which is really nice as BOS is now officially a Delta Hub. In some dummy bookings, it presents some cheaper options for transatlantic flights.

Delta and Jetblue seem to be in a real battle for JAX-BOS dominance.  Jetblue is dropping from 3/day to 2/day but upgauging those 2 flights from 100 seater E190s to 150 seat A320s so basically the same capacity as before. 

Yep, Boston seems like the east coast version of Seattle, where Delta and Alaska are going toe to toe.

Of course, Delta and Alaska were "engaged to be married" for lack of a better term as they were tight partners with rumors of a merger happening at any time. There never was a partnership between Delta and JetBlue.

[JaxAvondale]

Good call - I missed that announcement but you're right; it's definitely bookable starting 9/8. I never thought about this but it makes sense as RDU is a Focus City for Delta. In a couple dummy bookings that flight is also available for connections to certain places as well (example JAX-RDU-CVG).

Delta is also going to 3x Daily on JAX-BOS, which is really nice as BOS is now officially a Delta Hub. In some dummy bookings, it presents some cheaper options for transatlantic flights.

Now, unless I REALLY need it you won't see me on it in the AM - 6AM Departure is ROUGH! Obviously a lot goes into route timing like gates, aircraft, crew, etc. but my lord.

JAX-BOS will be nice for my transatlantic flights during the second half of the year.

[Gators312]

Unfortunately another cut for JIA, on 10/27/19 Jetblue will be dropping the Jacksonville-D.C. Reagan National flight.

Wow. I flew that this past weekend and it was full.

FLL/PBI/RSW all gain DCA frequency at the expense of JAX & CHS.   Their CCO left recently FWIW.

[Steve]

Unfortunately another cut for JIA, on 10/27/19 Jetblue will be dropping the Jacksonville-D.C. Reagan National flight.

Wow. I flew that this past weekend and it was full.

FLL/PBI/RSW all gain DCA frequency at the expense of JAX & CHS.   Their CCO left recently FWIW.

Given that DCA is a pretty heavy business destination (tourism too, but business especially), I bet it was fare pressure that led to this getting the axe. I bet JetBlue could charge more for tickets from South Florida and get the fare. JetBlue may have filled the planes as a result of fare sales/deals leading up to departure.

Further, given that DCA is one of the few US airports that slot controlled, I'm sure they want to make every dime they can on the planes going in there.

Case in point, Delta used to do a Last Minute fare email. They sent it on Tuesdays for that upcoming weekend. I saw their JAX-LAX nonstop in there many times for $99 each way. Put it this way, if you see a route that is frequently offered as a last minute deal, expect it to be on the chopping block.

[vicupstate]

Delta used to do a Last Minute fare email.

USAir used to do that too. I got to see a lot of places cheap that way. Does ANY airline still do that?

[Steve]

You can through third party sites, and Delta still in concept has the email (I'm subscribed to it), but they haven't sent it in years. Probably not coincidental that they've been HUGELY profitable lately.