JBJ: We must not dawdle if we want a riverfront miracle mile

[Steve]

The problem I have with dockless is that it isn't dependable.  You never know where a bike is going to be.  While working in OKC there was a station 3 blocks from my apartment and 1 block from my office.  I knew every morning there would be between 4 and 8 bikes in the rack.  Dockless?  Who the heck knows where a bike could be.  At that point it stops being a transportation option.

I'm jumping in here just to follow the thread, but I'm pretty sure the same tech that tells you where your Uber driver is would be able to locate a 'dockless' bike near you.

The difference is the Uber Driver also sees where you are and comes to you. I'd love to see the bike do that.

It does in Soviet Union.

Got it. I'm not questioning the technological ability to power a bicycle without a dude driving. I question whether or not the regulation will allow it to happen anytime soon.

I'm betting no for a variety of reasons. This topic came up at a supply chain conference recently (autonomous vehicles). Long story short, no one thinks this is happening anytime soon in a widespread manner due to regulation.

[Adam White]

The problem I have with dockless is that it isn't dependable.  You never know where a bike is going to be.  While working in OKC there was a station 3 blocks from my apartment and 1 block from my office.  I knew every morning there would be between 4 and 8 bikes in the rack.  Dockless?  Who the heck knows where a bike could be.  At that point it stops being a transportation option.

I'm jumping in here just to follow the thread, but I'm pretty sure the same tech that tells you where your Uber driver is would be able to locate a 'dockless' bike near you.

The difference is the Uber Driver also sees where you are and comes to you. I'd love to see the bike do that.

It does in Soviet Union.

Got it. I'm not questioning the technological ability to power a bicycle without a dude driving. I question whether or not the regulation will allow it to happen anytime soon.

I'm betting no for a variety of reasons. This topic came up at a supply chain conference recently (autonomous vehicles). Long story short, no one thinks this is happening anytime soon in a widespread manner due to regulation.

I was just making a dumb Yakov Smirnoff 'joke' (like, in Soviet Union, bicycle pedals YOU!)

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

The problem I have with dockless is that it isn't dependable.  You never know where a bike is going to be.  While working in OKC there was a station 3 blocks from my apartment and 1 block from my office.  I knew every morning there would be between 4 and 8 bikes in the rack.  Dockless?  Who the heck knows where a bike could be.  At that point it stops being a transportation option.

I'm jumping in here just to follow the thread, but I'm pretty sure the same tech that tells you where your Uber driver is would be able to locate a 'dockless' bike near you.

The difference is the Uber Driver also sees where you are and comes to you. I'd love to see the bike do that.

Not really about the bike coming to you, but you could see if there are any bikes nearby as you're planning your day.

Is it really any different than coming out and finding zero bikes in the rack?

[Steve]

The problem I have with dockless is that it isn't dependable.  You never know where a bike is going to be.  While working in OKC there was a station 3 blocks from my apartment and 1 block from my office.  I knew every morning there would be between 4 and 8 bikes in the rack.  Dockless?  Who the heck knows where a bike could be.  At that point it stops being a transportation option.

I'm jumping in here just to follow the thread, but I'm pretty sure the same tech that tells you where your Uber driver is would be able to locate a 'dockless' bike near you.

The difference is the Uber Driver also sees where you are and comes to you. I'd love to see the bike do that.

Not really about the bike coming to you, but you could see if there are any bikes nearby as you're planning your day.

Is it really any different than coming out and finding zero bikes in the rack?

Not different than not finding a bike, but I can't necessarily guarantee a bike will be outside my office at 5pm.

[thelakelander]

The problem here is JTA's RFP basically directs the potential location of bike stations to Skyway stations. They aren't the most convenient either. So knowing a bike station is located at Jefferson Station does you no good if you're working or living in Brooklyn.

[Steve]

The problem here is JTA's RFP basically directs the potential location of bike stations to Skyway stations. They aren't the most convenient either. So knowing a bike station is located at Jefferson Station does you no good if you're working or living in Brooklyn.

That I agree with. Sounds like that while certain stations do make sense for bike share, they need to just place them at different locations.

Or do the dockless thing I guess.

[Kerry]

The problem here is JTA's RFP basically directs the potential location of bike stations to Skyway stations. They aren't the most convenient either. So knowing a bike station is located at Jefferson Station does you no good if you're working or living in Brooklyn.

Not to mention that the Skyway doesn't even run on weekends.  Integrating bike share to a system that isn't even operational 7 days a week makes zero sense.

[thelakelander]

The problem here is JTA's RFP basically directs the potential location of bike stations to Skyway stations. They aren't the most convenient either. So knowing a bike station is located at Jefferson Station does you no good if you're working or living in Brooklyn.

That I agree with. Sounds like that while certain stations do make sense for bike share, they need to just place them at different locations.

Or do the dockless thing I guess.

Yeah, there has to be a balance if someone is also expected to fully fund, operate and maintain a system without public money. If forced into having to purchase and maintain traditional bike station infrastructure, some Skyway station locations will equate to lighting good money on fire.

[Kerry]

Honestly, what kind of RFP is this.  Hell, I guess I could have sent out my own RFP.

1)  Looking for Bike Share Implementor/opeartor to 100% fund their own system in Jax Fl.

Dang, I should have thought of this 5 years ago.