DeSantis still no position on Healthcare with 3 weeks to go.

[Adam White]

^^^Look at these shipping routes guys. If you all are waiting for the liberal MSM to reveal this, hell will have frozen over. It's not what the liberal MSM says, it's what they DO NOT say... Muh it's not MSNBC so these other rayciss sites are nazis...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbIc1LZqIAw
https://gefira.org/en/2016/12/04/ngos-are-smuggling-immigrants-into-europe-on-an-industrial-scale/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWp_SDJh3pM&t=628s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnifiUMPHGM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feGXIK--OdM

You post a link to an article published by Gefira and then actually try to argue that your links aren't racist?

You're one of a kind, I-10.

In any event, I see a lot of accusations on those links and precious little in the way of evidence. Again, the simplest answer is usually the correct one. A bunch of people have been fleeing war and poverty. It's no surprise, given how unsettled the region has been for a number of years now.

[Tacachale]

We really need to get our forum rules up. One of them should definitely be posting no defamatory, deceitful, or otherwise trash links. This isn't the place for that.

[Charles Hunter]

We really need to get our forum rules up. One of them should definitely be posting no defamatory, deceitful, or otherwise trash links. This isn't the place for that.

Great idea.

[MusicMan]

"In any event, I see a lot of accusations on those links and precious little in the way of evidence."

Taking their cue from The Orange One.

[I-10east]

You post a link to an article published by Gefira and then actually try to argue that your links aren't racist?

This what Gefira is..."The Gefira Foundation is a part of the Pan-European think-tank focused on current geopolitical and financial instabilities".

This 'racist' talk is just to shut all debate and reasoning up and censor...The point why I posted the link was to the whistleblowing of the NGOs shipping routes, NOT because I'm some hardline white nationalist synthesizer or something. Do you think the Open Society Foundation, or some buillshit leftist organization will expose NGO shipping routes? No.

I am a freelancer when it comes to websites that are useful; From anything from the HuffPo to the Drudge Report.  You asked for proof of NGO shipping routes across the Mediterranean, and I provided it.  You cant debate what I posted, so cut off all talk by 'muh rayciss".

[Adam White]

You post a link to an article published by Gefira and then actually try to argue that your links aren't racist?

This what Gefira is..."The Gefira Foundation is a part of the Pan-European think-tank focused on current geopolitical and financial instabilities".

This 'racist' talk is just to shut all debate and reasoning up and censor...The point why I posted the link was to the whistleblowing of the NGOs shipping routes, NOT because I'm some hardline white nationalist synthesizer or something. Do you think the Open Society Foundation, or some buillshit leftist organization will expose NGO shipping routes? No.

I am a freelancer when it comes to websites that are useful; From anything from the HuffPo to the Drudge Report.  You asked for proof of NGO shipping routes across the Mediterranean, and I provided it.  You cant debate what I posted, so cut off all talk by 'muh rayciss".

Wait...are you telling me that Gefira don't label themselve as racist? Wow. I guess you're right.

[I-10east]

The current left are the new pearl clutching 80's evangelical conservatives when it comes to moralism.  It used to be "Jesus this, Jesus that; you're going to hell for being gay" Now it's "racism, sexism, homophobia, bigot, Islamophobia" etc etc etc. Now facts are racist, we have 140 different genders, and an ice cream company is WOKE with socialist politics...

[I-10east]

Wait...are you telling me that Gefira don't label themselve as racist? Wow. I guess you're right.

Did that link show Jim Crow lynchings, Japanese interment camps, and Holocaust deaths? Stay on your typical moralist tirade, because that's all that you leftist have for shutting down debate...

[Adam White]

Wait...are you telling me that Gefira don't label themselve as racist? Wow. I guess you're right.

Did that link show Jim Crow lynchings, Japanese interment camps, and Holocaust deaths? Stay on your typical moralist tirade, because that's all that you leftist have for shutting down debate...

So, in order for the organisation to be racist, their links have to explicitly show "Jim Crow lynchings, Japanese interment camps, and Holocaust deaths?"

[Adam White]

Regarding the NGOs and migrants or refugees. As you will note from the videos, none of the ships that are being tracked travel into port in Libya. This is because they are picking up migrants in the Mediterranean sea - refugees who are in un-seaworthy vessels.

They have run into criticism for sometimes picking up migrants inside Libyan territorial waters. This is because they are concerned with rescuing people in peril, not political issues. They have also been criticised for not handing over the people they rescue to the Libyan coast guard. But they openly admit that they won't do this, as the coast guard has been known to abuse migrants that are handed over to them. In fact, a judge has even ruled that this practice is acceptable, as the fundamental rights of the migrants could not be guaranteed in Libya.

There is an issue with people smugglers basically taking advantage of the presence of NGOs. They know they can basically throw a bunch of people into a dangerously overcrowded dinghy or raft or something and the people might get picked up and rescued if they run into trouble. Of course, this doesn't always happened - as the high death toll indicates.

The problem to solve is how to rescue people who are in danger without unintentionally creating an environment that favours people traffickers.

There isn't a conspiracy here. This is just the unfortunate result of war and poverty. A lot of which is partly the responsibility of the USA and UK.

[I-10east]

So, in order for the organisation to be racist, their links have to explicitly show "Jim Crow lynchings, Japanese interment camps, and Holocaust deaths?"

Well that's the way that you responded, like you saw something horrific. If a Pan-African organization was highlighting all of the Chinese colonialism that's currently taking place within that continent, it would be okay with you. What I posted just showed a very bad problem in Europe; a multitude of unassimilable and unemployable people pouring in Western Europe VIA NGOs and the EU itself.

[Adam White]

So, in order for the organisation to be racist, their links have to explicitly show "Jim Crow lynchings, Japanese interment camps, and Holocaust deaths?"

Well that's the way that you responded, like you saw something horrific. If a Pan-African organization was highlighting all of the Chinese colonialism that's currently taking place within that continent, it would be okay with you. What I posted just showed a very bad problem in Europe; a multitude of unassimilable and unemployable people pouring in Western Europe VIA NGOs and the EU itself.

This "problem" is only a problem for keyboard warriors like yourself and racist white people who haunt the fringes of "European" politics. I find it astounding that you have such strong opinions about a group of people you've never met in an area of the world that you've never visited and have no functional relationship with.

[I-10east]

^^^You know when someone have no legitimate response in a debate when you try to shut down all conversion. You are like a liberal gatekeeper. Muh, you haven't been there before; muh way to racist (even though there is no racist imagery). You care about people south of the Mediterranean; your 'problem' is that you don't care about people north of it having acid thrown on them, raped, and being knifed up (not all people of European descent BTW). You don't care about the unsustainability of the EU. 

[Adam White]

^^^You know when someone have no legitimate response in a debate when you try to shut down all conversion. You are like a liberal gatekeeper. Muh, you haven't been there before; muh way to racist (even though there is no racist imagery). You care about people south of the Mediterranean; your 'problem' is that you don't care about people north of it having acid thrown on them, raped, and being knifed up (not all people of European descent BTW). You don't care about the unsustainability of the EU.

I live north of the Med. So...your point?

I also voted to remain in the EU, in spite of my reservations about it. And you obviously know nothing of Gefira - because you contend that they can only be a racist organisation if they post 'racist imagery'.

Most of the knife crime and acid attacks are not perpetrated by migrants. Though I guess some of them are committed by black people - so I suppose that means you're a criminal, too.

And cool it with the 'muh'.

[I-10east]

^^Okay, I'll cool it with "muh' only if you cool it with a video showing NGO migration being the equivalent of the KKK website or the Daily Stormer. Where else in the hell am I supposed to expose illegal migration, your beloved BBC?? Sorry for not bringing up a site that's totally controlled by some European govt, or some multi-national leftist conglomerate...