Khan interested in developing shipyards

[Lostwave]

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/entertainment-complex-planned-next-to-stadium

"If we're really going to bring about something that's transformative, it can't be limited to the 70 acres along the St. Johns River," said Lamping, referring to the Shipyards and Metropolitian Park property that Iguana proposes to develop.

He said a 250,000-square-foot entertainment complex could go on Lot J.

The surface parking lot fronts Gator Bowl Boulevard and sits between Daily's Place and Georgia Street. The team controls the lot, according to its lease with the city.

"We have tremendously underdeveloped property right behind us," Lamping told more than 300 retail real estate brokers, developers and builders.

[thelakelander]

So Sleiman has to 2020 or 2021 to get the Landing's act together or invest in a different niche before the grand opening of a similar DT venue...most likely by Cordish.

[KenFSU]

250,000 square feet?

That's pretty ambitious.

That's twice the size of the Landing.

Also twice the size of Ballpark Village in St. Louis.

Should be interesting to see what happens with this.

[Lostwave]

250,000 square feet?

I picture something like http://www.xfinitylive.com/ with a ton of open space, like if the center of the Landing was covered and shared hangout space for all the restaurant/bars...  The landing is 125k sq ft indoors.  So 250k sq ft isn't all that big as an addition to Daily's Place and Everbank. 

[BenderRodriguez]

250,000 square feet?

That's pretty ambitious.

That's twice the size of the Landing.

Also twice the size of Ballpark Village in St. Louis.

Should be interesting to see what happens with this.

I've been to Ballpark Village a few times and it's quite the venue. I can only imagine Khan and the Mayor walking in and saying "yeah we can do this... and twice as big"

[Tacachale]

Needs to be some residential in the mix if there's really going to be retail here. Hard to see it working otherwise. The Landing couldn't survive with current residential levels, no reason to think a second, competing Landing would pull it off.

[thelakelander]

I doubt you'll see the type of retail we tend to associate with Jax shopping centers. They'll basically be doing something like Cordish's Infinity Live! Instead of Best Buy, you'll probably end up with a Jaguars Store next to a bunch of themed bars and restaurants that will attempt to pull in people going to all the venues around there.



1. NE Event Plaza
2. Broad Street Bullies Pub
3. Live! VIP Lounge
4. Victory Beer Hall
5. 1100 Social
6. NBC Sports Arena
7. PBR Bar and Grill
8. Philly Marketplace
9. Plaza, Miller Lite Concert Stage and EP Henry Road to Victory
10. NBC Sports Turf Field
P -- Parking
V -- Valet

http://www.xfinitylive.com/

[Tacachale]

^That would probably work better. Basically taking the parts of the Landing that still work. Residential would still be good, though.

[thelakelander]

I wouldn't expect to see them or Cordish experiment with residential in this phase. Nothing they could build now would keep traditional retail open there. So they'll have to follow the other Cordish sports models.

[vicupstate]

Basically taking the parts of the Landing that still work.

Hooters and FL/GA?

[MusicMan]

Hmmmmmmmmmm... Opening up a three year old thread to talk about something that hopefully will start construction in summer 2019.

It's still Jacksonville, folks.  In the three years since last post we did get improved scoreboards and a nice amphitheater, so that's something.

The District also announced about 3 years ago and that may die soon.  Berkman II still decorating the riverfront.  I am nor sure where The Four Seasons Jacksonville is supposed to fit in our downtown. Has anyone figured that out yet?

[Tacachale]

Basically taking the parts of the Landing that still work.

Hooters and FL/GA?

Ha!

But no, the restaurants, bars and central plaza facing the waterfront. Many of those (including Hooters) continue to do pretty well despite all the other problems of the Landing.

[thelakelander]

Hmmmmmmmmmm... Opening up a three year old thread to talk about something that hopefully will start construction in summer 2019.

It's still Jacksonville, folks.  In the three years since last post we did get improved scoreboards and a nice amphitheater, so that's something.

The District also announced about 3 years ago and that may die soon.  Berkman II still decorating the riverfront.  I am nor sure where The Four Seasons Jacksonville is supposed to fit in our downtown. Has anyone figured that out yet?

Years ago I said it would be decades before the Shipyards or District ever materialized. However, this is a city that likes to keep its one-trick pony mega captain save-a-day projects in the forefront of downtown redevelopment news. Guys like Rummell stay in the news as tumbleweeds still blow across these sites. In the meantime, people like Eugene Profit quietly come in, do their thing and move on to the next project. Here's a few projects that weren't proposed in 2013 that have either been completed or are well on their way to completion...

MD Anderson Cancer Center
Baptist Health Parking Garage (necessary for the proposed redevelopment of that medical campus)
Broadstone Riverhouse
Brooklyn Riverside
Brooklyn Station
Lofts of LaVilla
Houston Street Manor
Lofts of Monroe
FSCJ Dorms

The smaller projects are where the bread is actually being buttered. We just have to get in the habit of getting them clustered. However, at that appears to have started taking place in the Northbank finally.

[thelakelander]

Basically taking the parts of the Landing that still work.

Hooters and FL/GA?

Ha!

But no, the restaurants, bars and central plaza facing the waterfront. Many of those (including Hooters) continue to do pretty well despite all the other problems of the Landing.

IMO, at this point the Landing's ball is in Sleiman's court. It's location provides it with the ability to be more than an entertainment center. There's no COJ money coming from Curry and Curry will still be in office when this thing at Everbank Field opens. At least Sleiman now knows he's got about a three or four year timeline to play with. There's no reason the Landing can't be given a bath, remodeled and revamped with new uses to take advantage of its centralized location.

[JaxAvondale]

I definitely think you could see a smaller retail component like the one around Wembley.