Getting rid of one-way streets won't fix DT's problems

Started by Metro Jacksonville, January 21, 2018, 10:55:02 PM

Tacachale

Quote from: KenFSU on January 22, 2018, 02:04:30 PM
Quote from: thelakelander on January 22, 2018, 10:31:56 AM
Lol, "game changer". That's a word Jax needs to put to death. There is no single thing we can do for downtown that will be a "game changer".



You stand corrected, Lake.
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SightseerLounge

#16
Have they forgotten about two waying Post and College? That really helped! They want to expand this concept!

Quote from: thelakelander on January 22, 2018, 10:31:56 AM
Lol, "game changer". That's a word Jax needs to put to death. There is no single thing we can do for downtown that will be a "game changer".

As for the two-way street stuff, things go down the tubes when the belief turns to the thought that a two-way conversion is always better than a one-way configuration and that, this move alone will lead to economic enhancement.  It won't. Spending money to two-way a street like Ashley gets you absolutely nothing. FBC will still be FBC and the surface parking lots will still be surface parking. On the other hand, two-waying Julia or Pearl will fix the confusing circulation of the downtown street network. Furthermore, is two-waying Hogan a better solution that reducing Hogan to a single-lane one-way with the other lane dedicated to bikes as a cycle track?

My fear with Jax is "two-waying" has become a buzz word with most forgetting that traffic calming and right-sizing of streets to fit within their context should be the primary goal. Without including those elements (with two-way conversion or one way enhancements), we're totally missing the boat again.

Yes, First Baptist Church will still be a cancer holding everything back. There's nothing downtown. Everything they do to fix downtown turns out to be a disaster or not effective. Skyway/U2C, The Convention Center, two way streets, painting parking garages and Skyway Structures, Rosa Parks Station, The Landing, and more ideas have failed to bring people back to downtown.

Jax still has a small town mentality in 2018. We take the Skyway monorail out to put a slower robot bus in its place. This is progressive? Instead, you could use that money to build a connection track from Jacksonville Terminal back to the CSX South, North, and West. Too late for that! Simple sidewalks in neighborhoods with no sidewalks would be an improvement. Maybe, if Jacksonville did that, people might be able to walk to the buses, so they could get downtown to stimulate the downtown economy.

Everyone is in the outer parts of town just working the crap jobs to survive. They don't even have time to go DT to do anything. I guess that's how certain parties want this city to be.

Two waying more streets is just another cheap trick to make it look like Jax is "doing something". It is just another contract to a friend of a friend to tear something up while looking progressive!

Jax has to stop doing this backwards game!

thelakelander

Quote from: SightseerLounge on January 22, 2018, 02:31:08 PM
Have they forgotten about two waying Post and College? That really helped! They want to expand this concept!
What really helped was moving US 17 traffic to the Roosevelt Expressway, I-10, I-95 and State & Union. Then allowing parallel parking on both sides of those streets. I doubt cars can pass in both directions at the same time in areas where parallel parking on both sides occurs in some stretches of College and Stockton now. Two-way conversion aside, what I described are the traffic calming examples applied.
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acme54321

I wish they'd make all of the N-S streets two way.  As it is having paired streets in the same direction and driving 3 block to get going back is ridiculous.  No way State and Union need to be made two way unless you bury the "expressway" under them.