Dear White People and Trump is Evil

[I-10east]

Look at the PSAs. The first two are saying 'Dear white people', basically going on with identity politics (saying that whites should acknowledge their privilege, be more sensitive to minorities, blah blah blah) and the rest just talking about how Trump sucks. They seem to be very propaganda like the way that they are made (the recent Trump vid from NBC for goodness sakes!).

Look at the like and dislike ratio on the youtube vids; most very abysmal, at best 50 percent. Maybe condescendingly scolding whites/ preaching identity politics, and outspoken celebs sticking it to Trump isn't an effective way to move the Democrat party forward. Just saying. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LzggK5DRBA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zjj1PmJcRM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2btcifuakCo&t=14s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRp1CK_X_Yw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTYidWBC8-4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Fa9YOPEFbQ

http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/312467-celebs-call-on-congress-to-stand-up-to-trump

[fsquid]

White people suck

[Adam White]

[JaxJersey-licious]

As touching as it is to see members of the AldermanParkLover's fan club come out of their self-imposed double secret probation it's still puzzling to me how these people have to be constantly reminded that your side for the most part won in 2016. It's like deniability of victory and constantly stewing in misery is the only way you can keep legitimizing your outrage.

Maybe Donald Trump is not your cup of tea but tell me true, would any of you be willing to give up your victories in the Congress, State Houses, the Senate, and the Presidency to take down all these White people need to be more sensitive and are bad when they refuse to acknowledge past unjust acts? Would you give it all up so that the playing field of ideas are finally leveled so that defenders of White people can finally get a word in edgewise? And would you really give it all up so that everyone can just leave Donald Trump the fuck alone?

Yes, there have always been and always will be those that take their message too far and to refuse too acknowledge that is lazy and dumb, but there is a common thread to those obsessed with "keeping score" of all that is said about them and their actions - their grasp of their reigns of power is tenuous. Given that it's no surprise that the present administration and congress are desperately repealing the previous administration's policies. They also seem to bemoan (and see for themselves at some town halls last week, at least those that weren't too chicken-shit scared) how with greater power comes greater targets on their back.

Now we all know that the saying normally goes with greater power comes greater responsibility, but that's only if you want to be the leader of ALL people. The opposition will always look to defend and speak for their own, but what they can't do is set the agenda. We know what this presidency has been trying to do so far, but for someone who claims to be such a great deal maker there are so many groups in this country that he shirks away from that puts that claim in serious doubt. There is no rational reason why bringing different groups to the table to listen to them, make concessions, and ultimately come to some kind of agreement couldn't be part of his agenda as well.

Call me an eternal optimist, but there is still time and I feel it can be done.

[JaxJersey-licious]

Look at the PSAs. The first two are saying 'Dear white people', basically going on with identity politics (saying that whites should acknowledge their privilege, be more sensitive to minorities, blah blah blah) and the rest just talking about how Trump sucks. They seem to be very propaganda like the way that they are made (the recent Trump vid from NBC for goodness sakes!).

Look at the like and dislike ratio on the youtube vids; most very abysmal, at best 50 percent. Maybe condescendingly scolding whites/ preaching identity politics, and outspoken celebs sticking it to Trump isn't an effective way to move the Democrat party forward. Just saying. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LzggK5DRBA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zjj1PmJcRM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2btcifuakCo&t=14s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRp1CK_X_Yw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTYidWBC8-4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Fa9YOPEFbQ

http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/312467-celebs-call-on-congress-to-stand-up-to-trump

Oh, and I'm sure the YouTube posters appreciate you posting their links so you can try to prove your point. In the end they are making more money for themselves and their causes while you have changed the minds of no one pro or con. Hope they remember you at Christmas.

[coredumped]

This is why trump won.

[Jim]

Privilege is taking umbrage when you are told you are doing something wrong rather than acknowledging it and working to correct it.

[Adam White]

This is why trump won.

Bit simplistic, don't you think?

[BridgeTroll]

This is why trump won.

Bit simplistic, don't you think?

The topic certainly is...

[coredumped]

Bit simplistic, don't you think?

I don't. I believe trump won because of stuff like this. The SJW movement has pissed off enough people that he won just because he appealed to that. And it's pretty insane, this billionaire, born millionaire (meaning he's always been rich) was able to appeal to the blue collar workin' folk.

In the past few years it has become socially acceptable to tell white people to "check their privilege" and so on, Bernie went so far as to say "white people don't know what it's like to be poor." I guess Bernie has never been to west virginia.

https://www.youtube.com/v/xCHfH0WABTY

How do you think that resonated with the white mother living on food stamps with 4 kids in a trailer or ghetto?

So I think it's as simple as that. People of all races & sexes have had tough times, but Trump played to the the large group of people who have been angry at things in this thread.

[Adam White]

Bit simplistic, don't you think?

I don't. I believe trump won because of stuff like this. The SJW movement has pissed off enough people that he won just because he appealed to that. And it's pretty insane, this billionaire, born millionaire (meaning he's always been rich) was able to appeal to the blue collar workin' folk.

In the past few years it has become socially acceptable to tell white people to "check their privilege" and so on, Bernie went so far as to say "white people don't know what it's like to be poor." I guess Bernie has never been to west virginia.

https://www.youtube.com/v/xCHfH0WABTY

How do you think that resonated with the white mother living on food stamps with 4 kids in a trailer or ghetto?

So I think it's as simple as that. People of all races & sexes have had tough times, but Trump played to the the large group of people who have been angry at things in this thread.

I think Trump won for myriad reasons and it can't be distilled to one thing. Yes, perhaps a backlash against "elites" or whatever played a significant part. But it would be simplistic (IMO) to say that was the reason. In fact, it's just as likely that the backlash was due to other factors (like economic ones) more than a bunch of angry white people taking issue with SJWs or BLM protestors or whatever.

[Tacachale]

^It's certainly simplistic to say that things like people being critical of white privilege or the "SJW movement", whatever that is, led so many white people (and others) to go for Trump. A few more significant factors that spring to mind are Clinton's weaknesses as a candidate, Trump's success making an economic case to working class voters in the Rust Belt, growing dissatisfaction with the "establishment" status quo, and the wonkiness of the Electoral College. In fact, if Trump hadn't managed to pick up 3 Rust Belt states that Clinton basically ignored by 100k votes total, he wouldn't be President today. There's no way that "SJWs" were a the deciding factor in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.

That said, it's true that Democrats and other lefties do a poor job speaking to the white working class, especially the rising number who aren't union members. Democrats are often openly derisive of the social values of working class and rural whites, and if they can't compete on the economic messaging, why not vote for Trump?

[coredumped]

When I say the reason, I mean it's why he was pushed over the top.

Democrats will always vote blue and Republicans will always vote red (some states allow you to party vote without having to check each box), but he energized people that would have otherwise not voted. He got those by taking advantage of things like what Bernie said above.

You can only push a group of people so far before they've had enough and act, similar to BLM.

And if you don't know what a SJW is, or aren't convinced, you've been living under a rock.

[Tacachale]

When I say the reason, I mean it's why he was pushed over the top.

Democrats will always vote blue and Republicans will always vote red (some states allow you to party vote without having to check each box), but he energized people that would have otherwise not voted. He got those by taking advantage of things like what Bernie said above.

You can only push a group of people so far before they've had enough and act, similar to BLM.

And if you don't know what a SJW is, or aren't convinced, you've been living under a rock.

I know what "SJW" means. I don't know what the "SJW movement" is supposed to refer to. "SJW" is a (very silly) slur, not a movement. Whatever it is, it's not a significant factor compared to others such as those I mentioned. The race was so close in key areas that changing virtually anything would have led to a different result.

It's incorrect that Trump energized people who wouldn't have voted otherwise - or if he did, it was only by alienating an almost equivalent number of Republican-leaning voters. He only got 2 million more votes than Romney did when losing in 2012; Clinton got virtually the same number of votes as Obama (and obviously beat Trump in overall votes). What did change is that Trump flipped 6 states that had gone for Obama in 2012 (several of which rarely go for Republicans). 5 of those are Rust Belt states. Trump's pitch there to working folks in a very depressed and declining economy, saying things that no Republican or Democrat had ever said before, is a much bigger factor.

Now, I would agree that many people consider that the general "PC" culture promoted by the left (or said to be promoted by them) is used as a bludgeon against them, and the left can be very dismissive and even openly derisive of the concerns of the white working class. Of course, most Republicans are as well, but Trump is a different story. If that's what you're trying to say, then I agree. But it's just one factor among many.

[Adam White]

When I say the reason, I mean it's why he was pushed over the top.

Democrats will always vote blue and Republicans will always vote red (some states allow you to party vote without having to check each box), but he energized people that would have otherwise not voted. He got those by taking advantage of things like what Bernie said above.

You can only push a group of people so far before they've had enough and act, similar to BLM.

And if you don't know what a SJW is, or aren't convinced, you've been living under a rock.

I know what "SJW" means. I don't know what the "SJW movement" is supposed to refer to. "SJW" is a (very silly) slur, not a movement. Whatever it is, it's not a significant factor compared to others such as those I mentioned. The race was so close in key areas that changing virtually anything would have led to a different result.

It's incorrect that Trump energized people who wouldn't have voted otherwise - or if he did, it was only by alienating an almost equivalent number of Republican-leaning voters. He only got 2 million more votes than Romney did when losing in 2012; Clinton got virtually the same number of votes as Obama (and obviously beat Trump in overall votes). What did change is that Trump flipped 6 states that had gone for Obama in 2012 (several of which rarely go for Republicans). 5 of those are Rust Belt states. Trump's pitch there to working folks in a very depressed and declining economy, saying things that no Republican or Democrat had ever said before, is a much bigger factor.

Now, I would agree that many people consider that the general "PC" culture promoted by the left (or said to be promoted by them) is used as a bludgeon against them, and the left can be very dismissive and even openly derisive of the concerns of the white working class. Of course, most Republicans are as well, but Trump is a different story. If that's what you're trying to say, then I agree. But it's just one factor among many.

Perfect response.