2 shot near N. Laura Street during First Wednesday Art Walk

[KenFSU]

http://jacksonville.com/news/2017-01-04/2-shot-near-n-laura-street-during-first-wednesday-art-walk#

[fsquid]

An abstract argument gone wrong?

[BridgeTroll]

A simple wine and cheese disagreement?

[Captain Zissou]

Doesn't Art Walk officially end at 8 or 9?  When I go, i'm usually long gone by 9:30. 

The comments on the News4Jax facebook post are pretty terrible. 

[jaxjaguar]

Sally, this is going to set the art walk back years... I'm already seeing posts all over social media from friends/family saying they're probably not going back. The perception of downtown is still very dangerous to those who aren't there frequently. This just confirms their fears.

[ssky]

Downtown's first PR crisis of 2017?

JSO: 2 minors injured in downtown shooting during Art Walk
Chaotic scene 'like something out of a Godzilla movie,' witness says
http://www.news4jax.com/news/local/jacksonville/jso-investigates-reports-of-shots-fired-at-art-walk

[KenFSU]

Doesn't Art Walk officially end at 8 or 9?  When I go, i'm usually long gone by 9:30. 

The comments on the News4Jax facebook post are pretty terrible. 

A wonderful night for racial relations in general last night, between this and the Facebook Live incident.

People should play a fun new game where they stop generalizing entire swaths of the population (minorities, whites/Trump supporters, whatever) by their lowest common denominators.

Such a shame because we've made such great strides as a society this decade in terms of embracing the LGBT community, yet we're coming apart at the seams racially.

[JaxNative68]

Doesn't Art Walk officially end at 8 or 9?  When I go, i'm usually long gone by 9:30. 

The comments on the News4Jax facebook post are pretty terrible. 

the majority of the comments left on the news sites sound like a predisposition fear of downtown (and of anything that isn't their gated suburban neighborhood) just looking for a reason to justify their hatred of downtown (even though they don't frequent the area, or haven't even attended a single art walk night, or any other event downtown for that matter). not to mention how racist half the remarks sound as well...

9:30 late for teenagers to be out?!?! really. gangstas being gangstas. what planet do they live on?

[jaxjaguar]

What was the Facebook live incident?

[KenFSU]

What was the Facebook live incident?

4 held after Facebook video shows torture of disabled man by group railing against Trump, whites

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/01/05/4-in-custody-after-group-beats-disabled-man-on-facebook-live-while-shouting-anti-trump-profanities-chicago-police-say/?utm_term=.e70ca9249d72

The shaky video shows a terrified young man in a gray hooded sweatshirt and dark pants crouching in a corner, his wrists and neck bound with orange bands, his mouth taped shut.

A young woman films as two young men slash the sleeves of his shirt with knives, then take turns punching him, slapping him and stomping on his head. At one point, one of the men can be seen cutting the victim's hair and scalp with a knife, and the victim is later shown bleeding from his injuries.

As the victim cowers with his back to the wall, someone can be heard repeatedly shouting, "F‑‑‑ Donald Trump" and "F‑‑‑ white people."

[FlaBoy]

ArtWalk has definitely moved to being where there are lots of teenagers roaming rather than those that are of age. The problem is the neighborhood and gang rivalries that exist. They all end up at ArtWalk or the Jax Fair and sh*t pops off. I bet this is also a big problem for vendors since most 16 year olds I know aren't buying food and drinks.

[Tacachale]

ArtWalk has definitely moved to being where there are lots of teenagers roaming rather than those that are of age. The problem is the neighborhood and gang rivalries that exist. They all end up at ArtWalk or the Jax Fair and sh*t pops off. I bet this is also a big problem for vendors since most 16 year olds I know aren't buying food and drinks.

I was there last night and didn't notice any such thing. Were you?

[Tacachale]

the difference in crowd isn't entirely all teenagers, but way more than early on.  anybody who's been regularly without a dog in this fight knows this to be true.  But by all means you and tach trot out some anecdotes from one night to dispel obvious longer-term trends in art walk.

white fantasizing? lol. I didn't say anything about gang violence or race just that the crowd was different.  I happen to agree there are more teenasgers and imo there's a bunch more white kids from mandarin included in that too.

I know your auto response is hard to stop though - your fingers just seem to start typing once anyone criticizes the actions of someone non white and/or not cis/straight.

Why don't you go down to the hospital and tell the victims they got shot with fantasy bullets shot with a gun concocted from baseless white fear?  that should be helpful

Do you think if there were more kids at Art Walk last night it was because school is still out, and not because dangerous teens are taking over as part of an "obvious longer-term trend"? Or is it absolutely certain that we're facing a Wild in the Streets situation?

[Spitfire]

ArtWalk has definitely moved to being where there are lots of teenagers roaming rather than those that are of age. The problem is the neighborhood and gang rivalries that exist. They all end up at ArtWalk or the Jax Fair and sh*t pops off. I bet this is also a big problem for vendors since most 16 year olds I know aren't buying food and drinks.

I was there last night and didn't notice any such thing. Were you?

I'm surprised you didn't. A friend and I walked down Laura towards our cars shortly before the shooting and my friend remarked about how many unsupervised kids were out with school starting back up today.

[Tacachale]

ArtWalk has definitely moved to being where there are lots of teenagers roaming rather than those that are of age. The problem is the neighborhood and gang rivalries that exist. They all end up at ArtWalk or the Jax Fair and sh*t pops off. I bet this is also a big problem for vendors since most 16 year olds I know aren't buying food and drinks.

I was there last night and didn't notice any such thing. Were you?

I'm surprised you didn't. A friend and I walked down Laura towards our cars shortly before the shooting and my friend remarked about how many unsupervised kids were out with school starting back up today.

There were a lot of teenagers there last night. I didn't notice that it was a huge number of teenagers compared to other times when school's out, let alone that they were from "the neighborhood", wherever that is, or that they appeared to be participating in "gang rivalries". The vendors I spoke to considered it was a normal Art Walk night. The complaints I heard from brick and mortar places were about the vagrants, the fall of FOHP, and typical talk about how slow things are Downtown. We headed to Intuition around 8, but from what I saw I wouldn't have predicted a correlation between the crowd and the shootings, any more than any other Art Walk. I doubt anyone else here did either, except in hindsight.