Laura Street Trio in Trouble? Updated status of six key Downtown projects

[SunKing]

so its fair to say that atkins has as much experience as khan does, if not more.

This is more absurd than fair.

especially if you completely disregard the facts, amiright?

No, you are wrong.  As indicated earlier, Khan's team-Lamping- has vastly more experience and resources building sports and entertainment venues than Atkins does building urban mixed use historic renovations. 

But I dont see why its an "either-or" argument as most people would like to see both projects get built.

[SunKing]

so its fair to say that atkins has as much experience as khan does, if not more.

This is more absurd than fair.

especially if you completely disregard the facts, amiright?

No, you are wrong.  As indicated earlier, Khan's team-Lamping- has vastly more experience and resources building sports and entertainment venues than Atkins does building urban mixed use historic renovations. 

But I dont see why its an "either-or" argument as most people would like to see both projects get built.

1. Khan isn't Lamping.
2. The project is mixed commercial/residential
3. There is no sports element to the project.
4. The post is in response to a tendentiously bashing poster questioning whether or not Steve even had the experience to do this project.

So I don't see an either or argument about the Everbank Field and the Laura Street Trio either Sun King, but thanks for jumping in head first anyways.  Perhaps actually reading the thread next time will keep you from making so many wrong statements in a single paragraph.  And will hurt your head less on landing.

I was only responding to your comparison of Atkins vs Khan's capabilities as developers.  I am quite familiar with Khan's background, his team and his resources.  As I may not be familiar with Mr. Atkins background, his team and his resources. 
Rather than hurtfully slamming anyone that disagrees with your comments, why not share with everyone Mr. Atkins resume of projects? 
Please enlighten us all.

[RattlerGator]

Damn, Stephen -- thicker skin, man. You can have weirdest take on things sometimes. Khan isn't Lamping -- that's a substantive & appropriate response? When the man is Khan's employee ? ? ?

[jaxjags]

Not sure I won't to get into this tennis match, but my thought is Khan has enough money to hire the correct development and financial advisors to assist his decisions and plans. He personally does not need mixed use experience. Few people in JAX have his financial resources. This is not saying Atkins is not qualified, just they have different approaches.

[jaxjags]

This is Simms earlier point I believe. Although I hate to agree with Simms I see his point. You can spend $77 million on 131 hotel keys, 100+ apts. and a couple restaurants and some retail. OR you can have 220 Riverside, Brooklyn Apts., and Brooklyn Station for less.  The returns have to be fully understood. That said it is a much needed DT project.

[SunKing]

so its fair to say that atkins has as much experience as khan does, if not more.

This is more absurd than fair.

especially if you completely disregard the facts, amiright?

No, you are wrong.  As indicated earlier, Khan's team-Lamping- has vastly more experience and resources building sports and entertainment venues than Atkins does building urban mixed use historic renovations. 

But I dont see why its an "either-or" argument as most people would like to see both projects get built.

1. Khan isn't Lamping.
2. The project is mixed commercial/residential
3. There is no sports element to the project.
4. The post is in response to a tendentiously bashing poster questioning whether or not Steve even had the experience to do this project.

So I don't see an either or argument about the Everbank Field and the Laura Street Trio either Sun King, but thanks for jumping in head first anyways.  Perhaps actually reading the thread next time will keep you from making so many wrong statements in a single paragraph.  And will hurt your head less on landing.

I was only responding to your comparison of Atkins vs Khan's capabilities as developers.  I am quite familiar with Khan's background, his team and his resources.  As I may not be familiar with Mr. Atkins background, his team and his resources. 
Rather than hurtfully slamming anyone that disagrees with your comments, why not share with everyone Mr. Atkins resume of projects? 
Please enlighten us all.

Well thats the downside of not knowing what the context you are speaking into is, sunking.  Perhaps less definitive statements like 'you are wrong' lead to more civil approaches from the person to whom you are addressing them.

But please, share with us Khan's experience in mixed commercial/residential use.

We are all very familiar with Khan's sports and entertainment background and the discussion is not about him so drop it.  I am asking you to shed some light on Atkin's mixed commercial/residential use development background.  When I look up Southeast Group, I can find that it was only formed in 2013.
Seriously, what projects has the guy personally been involved in?

[thelakelander]

I hope both Khan and Atkins make millions off their investments in the core. Sleiman too. Their success means that DT Jax should benefit as well and result in spin-off economic activity. Anyway, here's a link (click and scroll down) showing EB5 Group's development projects:

http://www.eb5groupllc.com/

Las Vegas developer partnering with Steve Atkins sees the vision for Laura Street Trio and Barnett Bank building
http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=546489

[SunKing]

I hope both Khan and Atkins make millions off their investments in the core. Sleiman too. Their success means that DT Jax should benefit as well and result in spin-off economic activity. Anyway, here's a link (click and scroll down) showing EB5 Group's development projects:

http://www.eb5groupllc.com/

Las Vegas developer partnering with Steve Atkins sees the vision for Laura Street Trio and Barnett Bank building
http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=546489

Oh I agree with that, lets make it all happen.  The question now is whose project is this really?  My goodness, Atkins new partners look shady.
http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2011/jun/29/cover-fbi/#

[ProjectMaximus]

they're called EB5 Group? lol thats hilarious

[SunKing]

That's your answer?  Seriously?

[SunKing]

What is Mr. Atkins background prior to this proposed project?  My question is open to anyone since stephendare appears to be speaking from another dimension.

[RattlerGator]

Another dimension -- good one!

As shady as dumping hexavalent chromium into peoples water supply?

In my best Ronald Reagan imitation possible, including an over-the-top African American eye roll: There you go again!

We get it, Stephen: the UAW targeted the man, so *you* target the man. Surprise, surprise -- looking at a 2012 article, none of the outfits Flex-n-Gate incorporated are unionized but nine of the outfits they acquired *are* unionized. And the unions want more.

So . . . you're not a nativist after all (maybe) when it comes to Shad Khan; but you're allowing yourself to be a water boy ? ? ?

Let it go, man. Quit carrying that water.

[SunKing]

Khan isn't proposing a residential/commercial development.  He is proposing a sports and entertainment venue that could include residential or commercial.  I would assume that means that he will build the former and let others build the latter.  So yes his experience in the former is well documented by virtue of his two sports franchises and related investments.  In terms of overall project management, two complicated projects come to mind-the man built one of the world's largest private yachts as well as the largest tvs in the world.  So yeah, when this man says that he can deliver on a project, I have a history of success to look back on.

So again who is Atkins and aside from really wanting to see the Laura Street project a success, what experience does the man have?

[SunKing]

Here is the Molasky Group's website.
http://www.molaskyco.com

Wonder how Lampings references look next to the projects of the Molaskys?

Dont go there....its just too easy.

[downtownbrown]

This is Simms earlier point I believe. Although I hate to agree with Simms I see his point. You can spend $77 million on 131 hotel keys, 100+ apts. and a couple restaurants and some retail. OR you can have 220 Riverside, Brooklyn Apts., and Brooklyn Station for less.  The returns have to be fully understood. That said it is a much needed DT project.

Factoid:  The developer brought into the Berkman 2 project asked for only $5 million.  That was over a year ago.  For 5 measly million bucks we'd be that much closer to a whole new batch of downtown residents.