Heckuva Job

[Sentient]

so are you reversing yourself?  You do seem to know that she voted on important bits of american policy.  in your last posts she was a lazy good for nothing little missus carpetbagging her way into a life of pretending she was doing something.

I think you need to go back and look at what I wrote Stephen...  I said " Sponsored naught."...  It's right there in the quote above.  Her record is perfectly in line with the premise of the OP -  "poseurs with a knack for public relations can con the public for a very long time"...  Yeah she rode coattails, yeah she popped up having "worked with" the actual sponsors of bills...  exactly my point.  She carried no water, but lives with an outsized reputation because of her political machinations and well funded machine.  There will be no Hillary Clinton statues outside of Wellesly.  Total con job.

[Sentient]

so are you reversing yourself?  You do seem to know that she voted on important bits of american policy.  in your last posts she was a lazy good for nothing little missus carpetbagging her way into a life of pretending she was doing something.

I think you need to go back and look at what I wrote Stephen...  I said " Sponsored naught."...  It's right there in the quote above.  Her record is perfectly in line with the premise of the OP -  "poseurs with a knack for public relations can con the public for a very long time"...  Yeah she rode coattails, yeah she popped up having "worked with" the actual sponsors of bills...  exactly my point.  She carried no water, but lives with an outsized reputation because of her political machinations and well funded machine.  There will be no Hillary Clinton statues outside of Wellesly.  Total con job.

" well funded machine." which she inherited from her husband I hasten to add...  even more ironic, no?

[Sentient]

so are you reversing yourself?  You do seem to know that she voted on important bits of american policy.  in your last posts she was a lazy good for nothing little missus carpetbagging her way into a life of pretending she was doing something.

I think you need to go back and look at what I wrote Stephen...  I said " Sponsored naught."...  It's right there in the quote above.  Her record is perfectly in line with the premise of the OP -  "poseurs with a knack for public relations can con the public for a very long time"...  Yeah she rode coattails, yeah she popped up having "worked with" the actual sponsors of bills...  exactly my point.  She carried no water, but lives with an outsized reputation because of her political machinations and well funded machine.  There will be no Hillary Clinton statues outside of Wellesly.  Total con job.

" well funded machine." which she inherited from her husband I hasten to add...  even more ironic, no?

lol.  you clearly don't know much about the political history of the Clintons sentient.  Other than what Rubert Murdoch and the Duponts have spoon fed you.

I forgot, she is a self-made woman... except she is standing on the shoulders of one of the most powerful men in the world...  One who has made over $100M personally since leaving office and whose Foundation had received over $2 Billion dollars, and who raises mor emoney for Democrat Party candidates than anyone else...   but it's the "Housewife from Little Rock" that's pulling all the strings right? 

Well I take some of that back, she was a pretty good commodities trader that one time.

[Sentient]

lol.  You sound like a misogynist to be frank.

Her Wellesley connections were the original funding mechanism for his political career incidentally.  A lot of people think he would have ended up either pumping gas in Little Rock or a well loved Mayor of some city without her goading him on with her better social connections.  Like I said, you clearly don't know much about their background.

And I think its funny that you think she is standing on his shoulders, but you aren't talking about JEB standing atop the shoulders of his father. I suppose you think the same thing about W?  Funny that Ive never heard you mention it about his career.  I mean, what is he even now?  An ex president?  Like, as if.....

He was really a spoiled carpetbagger from Massachusetts whose daddy bought him a baseball team and a governorship.  Then using his daddy's name he became a measly president.  What did he ever even do? amiright?

It sounds silly doesn't it?

You sound like a Vietnam war protester going on about Nixon...  "this friggen war man!"...   Let the Bush stuff go Stephen.

and reflexively trying to link me with supporting Bush... well where did I ever come out with any support for this line of thinking?  You are just so one note though...    Pointing out Clinton's lack of stature = support for Bush, right?  Maybe you should write for the NYT.

It is worth pointing out though that both Bush boys actual ran large states...unlike Hillary.

[Adam White]

I think we should be spending more time talking about ideas and less time talking about people.

[Sentient]

I'km glad you bolded these sections, they are worth reading closely...

"Hillary started out as a faculty member at the University of Arkansas Law School, where Bill was teaching"   

Bill first.

" Bill won his first elected position as Attorney General of Arkansas and the couple moved to the capital city of Little Rock. There, Hillary began working at the well-established and politically connected Rose Law Firm" 

Hmmm a politically connected law firm hires the wife of the state AG... whose name was....   Bill!

"In 1979, Bill became governor of Arkansas,"    Bill again...

"and in February of 1980, Hillary gave birth to their daughter Chelsea."  Bill had. let's say "a hand" in this too!

"Hillary played an unusually prominent role as Arkansas' first lady during Bill's total of five terms as governor"  BILL GUVN'R FOR LIFE!!!  - but really because of his wife, who people in Arkansas loved so much she had to change her name for political reasons... 

"she earned a spot on the National Law Journal's list of the 100 most influential lawyers in America"  Great job there...  imagine the wife of a 5 time Governor, while associated with a politically connected law firm, winning such accolades.  I mean, what ARE the odds?

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article24475798.html  for some more background on the corporate interests she served while at Rose...


She was a hell of a futures trader though... credit for that.  Who thought - what with all of her service and all - she knew so much about cattle futures...  and then once that Everest was climbed, retired on top!

"Hillary Rodham Clinton was allowed to order 10 cattle futures contracts, normally a $12,000 investment, in her first commodity trade in 1978 although she had only $1,000 in her account at the time, according to trade records the White House released yesterday.

The computerized records of her trades, which the White House obtained from the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, show for the first time how she was able to turn her initial investment into $6,300 overnight. In about 10 months of trading, she made nearly $100,000, relying heavily on advice from her friend James B. Blair, an experienced futures trader."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/whitewater/stories/wwtr940527.htm

[finehoe]

I think we should be spending more time talking about ideas and less time talking about people.

Which brings us back to the original posting:

cults of personality built around undeserving politicians

[Adam White]

I think we should be spending more time talking about ideas and less time talking about people.

Which brings us back to the original posting:

cults of personality built around undeserving politicians

I thought that exact thing after I posted that.