Jacksonville for Bernie Sanders

[Tacachale]

Sanders is emblematic of the divide in the Democratic Party. He appeals to white progressives, and the small percentage of people who openly identify as socialists, but he just doesn't speak to other Democrats, let alone anyone else. He won't get 20% of the primary vote.

[The_Choose_1]

Sanders is emblematic of the divide in the Democratic Party. He appeals to white progressives, and the small percentage of people who openly identify as socialists, but he just doesn't speak to other Democrats, let alone anyone else. He won't get 20% of the primary vote.

Very True and well spoken Tacachale. 

[Adam White]

Politicians will always be the same besides "per Wiki" Bernard "Bernie" Sanders (born September 8, 1941) is an American politician and the junior United States Senator from Vermont. He has announced his candidacy for the Democratic nomination in the 2016 presidential election.

Sanders is the longest-serving independent in U.S. congressional history. A self-described democratic socialist,[5][6][7][8] he favors policies similar to those of social democratic parties in Europe, particularly those of Scandinavia.[9" He has a snow ball chance in Hell to bet Hilliary and lets say he did? God Forbid. The Republicans would win the White House and if a Republican gets into the White House with a Republican controlled  House & Senate. Well I'm gone you can have America "Sydney Australia sounds like it would be a great place to live." Because with these Idiots running the show. Atheists like the bookmine dude and a lot on this Forum you're Screwed. I believe in God but I don't want my Government telling me how or which God to pray to. "Freedom of Religion" goes both ways you can believe or you don't. God gave us all Free Will. And when you Die because, Thank God we all do one day. We all will be judged by him or we will all just rot in the ground.  p.s. Yes I believe in a God but I don't go to Church unless it's for a wedding or a Funeral. I also was baptized in the Methodist Church. But I even have doubt what happens after I die.

Why do you think Sanders or anyone else will tell you what church to go to (or am I missing something)?

[Adam White]

Sanders is emblematic of the divide in the Democratic Party. He appeals to white progressives, and the small percentage of people who openly identify as socialists, but he just doesn't speak to other Democrats, let alone anyone else. He won't get 20% of the primary vote.

What do you base that on, taca?

I personally think that the electorate constellation resembles the one that elected Teddy Roosevelt and his square deal campaigns.  I think Sanders is going to be a surprise to many.

http://millercenter.org/president/biography/roosevelt-campaigns-and-elections

The Democratic party has always been a party of factions and coalitions - I think it's just been a while since a progressive candidate has come to the fore.

Sanders may self-describe as a "democratic socialist" but his positions clearly show him to be a social democrat. It's funny that a candidate who falls just to the left of center could be seen as so radical - but I suppose that's a reflection of the times.

I noticed that a traditionally very conservative mother of a friend of mine has said Sanders is her favorite candidate so far - though Trump is her second choice. It's only one example, but I would love to see if Sanders's message resonates more with average Americans than one would normally expect it to.

[The_Choose_1]

Politicians will always be the same besides "per Wiki" Bernard "Bernie" Sanders (born September 8, 1941) is an American politician and the junior United States Senator from Vermont. He has announced his candidacy for the Democratic nomination in the 2016 presidential election.

Sanders is the longest-serving independent in U.S. congressional history. A self-described democratic socialist,[5][6][7][8] he favors policies similar to those of social democratic parties in Europe, particularly those of Scandinavia.[9" He has a snow ball chance in Hell to bet Hilliary and lets say he did? God Forbid. The Republicans would win the White House and if a Republican gets into the White House with a Republican controlled  House & Senate. Well I'm gone you can have America "Sydney Australia sounds like it would be a great place to live." Because with these Idiots running the show. Atheists like the bookmine dude and a lot on this Forum you're Screwed. I believe in God but I don't want my Government telling me how or which God to pray to. "Freedom of Religion" goes both ways you can believe or you don't. God gave us all Free Will. And when you Die because, Thank God we all do one day. We all will be judged by him or we will all just rot in the ground.  p.s. Yes I believe in a God but I don't go to Church unless it's for a wedding or a Funeral. I also was baptized in the Methodist Church. But I even have doubt what happens after I die.

Why do you think Sanders or anyone else will tell you what church to go to (or am I missing something)?

Your missing something if you look again Adam White. I said if a Republican wins the white house "I don't want my Government telling me how or which God to pray to. "Freedom of Religion" goes both ways you can believe or you don't. God gave us all Free Will." If you listen to the Nut jobs in the religious circles in America they would demand God be taught in Public schools. And so many other things would change. I'm a Christian and don't believe in this. I'm so glad Mitt Romney didn't win back in 2012. I would have already been gone.   

[Adam White]

Politicians will always be the same besides "per Wiki" Bernard "Bernie" Sanders (born September 8, 1941) is an American politician and the junior United States Senator from Vermont. He has announced his candidacy for the Democratic nomination in the 2016 presidential election.

Sanders is the longest-serving independent in U.S. congressional history. A self-described democratic socialist,[5][6][7][8] he favors policies similar to those of social democratic parties in Europe, particularly those of Scandinavia.[9" He has a snow ball chance in Hell to bet Hilliary and lets say he did? God Forbid. The Republicans would win the White House and if a Republican gets into the White House with a Republican controlled  House & Senate. Well I'm gone you can have America "Sydney Australia sounds like it would be a great place to live." Because with these Idiots running the show. Atheists like the bookmine dude and a lot on this Forum you're Screwed. I believe in God but I don't want my Government telling me how or which God to pray to. "Freedom of Religion" goes both ways you can believe or you don't. God gave us all Free Will. And when you Die because, Thank God we all do one day. We all will be judged by him or we will all just rot in the ground.  p.s. Yes I believe in a God but I don't go to Church unless it's for a wedding or a Funeral. I also was baptized in the Methodist Church. But I even have doubt what happens after I die.

Why do you think Sanders or anyone else will tell you what church to go to (or am I missing something)?

Your missing something if you look again Adam White. I said if a Republican wins the white house "I don't want my Government telling me how or which God to pray to. "Freedom of Religion" goes both ways you can believe or you don't. God gave us all Free Will." If you listen to the Nut jobs in the religious circles in America they would demand God be taught in Public schools. And so many other things would change. I'm a Christian and don't believe in this. I'm so glad Mitt Romney didn't win back in 2012. I would have already been gone.   

So yeah - I did miss something. Sorry about that

[The_Choose_1]

Politicians will always be the same besides "per Wiki" Bernard "Bernie" Sanders (born September 8, 1941) is an American politician and the junior United States Senator from Vermont. He has announced his candidacy for the Democratic nomination in the 2016 presidential election.

Sanders is the longest-serving independent in U.S. congressional history. A self-described democratic socialist,[5][6][7][8] he favors policies similar to those of social democratic parties in Europe, particularly those of Scandinavia.[9" He has a snow ball chance in Hell to bet Hilliary and lets say he did? God Forbid. The Republicans would win the White House and if a Republican gets into the White House with a Republican controlled  House & Senate. Well I'm gone you can have America "Sydney Australia sounds like it would be a great place to live." Because with these Idiots running the show. Atheists like the bookmine dude and a lot on this Forum you're Screwed. I believe in God but I don't want my Government telling me how or which God to pray to. "Freedom of Religion" goes both ways you can believe or you don't. God gave us all Free Will. And when you Die because, Thank God we all do one day. We all will be judged by him or we will all just rot in the ground.  p.s. Yes I believe in a God but I don't go to Church unless it's for a wedding or a Funeral. I also was baptized in the Methodist Church. But I even have doubt what happens after I die.

Why do you think Sanders or anyone else will tell you what church to go to (or am I missing something)?

Your missing something if you look again Adam White. I said if a Republican wins the white house "I don't want my Government telling me how or which God to pray to. "Freedom of Religion" goes both ways you can believe or you don't. God gave us all Free Will." If you listen to the Nut jobs in the religious circles in America they would demand God be taught in Public schools. And so many other things would change. I'm a Christian and don't believe in this. I'm so glad Mitt Romney didn't win back in 2012. I would have already been gone.   

So yeah - I did miss something. Sorry about that

No Problem

[The_Choose_1]

Sanders is emblematic of the divide in the Democratic Party. He appeals to white progressives, and the small percentage of people who openly identify as socialists, but he just doesn't speak to other Democrats, let alone anyone else. He won't get 20% of the primary vote.

What do you base that on, taca?

I personally think that the electorate constellation resembles the one that elected Teddy Roosevelt and his square deal campaigns.  I think Sanders is going to be a surprise to many.

http://millercenter.org/president/biography/roosevelt-campaigns-and-elections

The Democratic party has always been a party of factions and coalitions - I think it's just been a while since a progressive candidate has come to the fore.

Sanders may self-describe as a "democratic socialist" but his positions clearly show him to be a social democrat. It's funny that a candidate who falls just to the left of center could be seen as so radical - but I suppose that's a reflection of the times.

I noticed that a traditionally very conservative mother of a friend of mine has said Sanders is her favorite candidate so far - though Trump is her second choice. It's only one example, but I would love to see if Sanders's message resonates more with average Americans than one would normally expect it to.

I think Sanders is going to go further in the primaries than people currently expect.

Mostly the people who believe that he doesn't have a chance are the types who live in the Fox 'bubble' of self reinforcing dogmatized political 'media'.  Since they exist politically in a closed circuit, they don't realize that the rest of america hasn't really come to the same conclusions that they have (except for an imaginary 'far left')

But the politic systems of the cold war and the oil wars are winding down.  There are other concerns and the underlying issues that caused the great Progressive movement at the turn of the last century have emerged again.

People are going to listen and make surprisingly independent choices.

ha ha ha ha ha And if this happens the next time I see you at Murray Hill Library I will ask to shake your hand. 

[Adam White]

Sanders is emblematic of the divide in the Democratic Party. He appeals to white progressives, and the small percentage of people who openly identify as socialists, but he just doesn't speak to other Democrats, let alone anyone else. He won't get 20% of the primary vote.

What do you base that on, taca?

I personally think that the electorate constellation resembles the one that elected Teddy Roosevelt and his square deal campaigns.  I think Sanders is going to be a surprise to many.

http://millercenter.org/president/biography/roosevelt-campaigns-and-elections

The Democratic party has always been a party of factions and coalitions - I think it's just been a while since a progressive candidate has come to the fore.

Sanders may self-describe as a "democratic socialist" but his positions clearly show him to be a social democrat. It's funny that a candidate who falls just to the left of center could be seen as so radical - but I suppose that's a reflection of the times.

I noticed that a traditionally very conservative mother of a friend of mine has said Sanders is her favorite candidate so far - though Trump is her second choice. It's only one example, but I would love to see if Sanders's message resonates more with average Americans than one would normally expect it to.

I think Sanders is going to go further in the primaries than people currently expect.

Mostly the people who believe that he doesn't have a chance are the types who live in the Fox 'bubble' of self reinforcing dogmatized political 'media'.  Since they exist politically in a closed circuit, they don't realize that the rest of america hasn't really come to the same conclusions that they have (except for an imaginary 'far left')

But the politic systems of the cold war and the oil wars are winding down.  There are other concerns and the underlying issues that caused the great Progressive movement at the turn of the last century have emerged again.

People are going to listen and make surprisingly independent choices.

I hope he does well in the primaries. You could be right - though I bet the shit storm cooked up against him by the Clinton campaign will be epic.

[Tacachale]

Sanders is emblematic of the divide in the Democratic Party. He appeals to white progressives, and the small percentage of people who openly identify as socialists, but he just doesn't speak to other Democrats, let alone anyone else. He won't get 20% of the primary vote.

What do you base that on, taca?

I personally think that the electorate constellation resembles the one that elected Teddy Roosevelt and his square deal campaigns.  I think Sanders is going to be a surprise to many.

http://millercenter.org/president/biography/roosevelt-campaigns-and-elections

The fact that he's polling at 2% with black voters (one of the core wings of the Democratic Party) and less than 10% for all non-white voters. He may pull some of the union support from Clinton but not enough to get over his major blind spots.

He's one of those guys with a great brain but no legs.

[The_Choose_1]

Taca, I think I would agree with the comparisons to Howard Dean's early campaign successes. ---Dean ultimately blew it in the first real days of round the clock cable television coverage with his famous scream---it undermined the public opinion about his temperament and fitness to govern back before the days of social media forced everyone to realize that almost everyone has these moments.

But I think the comparison's end there.

These days there is a much better messaging network than there was during those days, and a correspondingly more sophisticated consumer of that information.

Apparently the numbers of the upcoming election require that the Republicans must get 47% of the Latin vote in order to win.  There will be a decreased African American turn out in an election without Obama, heightening the importance of the Latin vote.

So, the republicans can thank Trump for making that goal harder.  The only ticket that would overcome the anti latin rhetoric of the republican field would be Bush/Rubio, and that is the most likely ticket for that reason in my opinion.

But Sanders has a perfect voting score from the NAACP (one of the few senators who has that, btw) and was arrested in the Civil Rights movement for demonstrating.  Also, his social message is going to resonate fairly well with latin voters.

Its going to be an interesting election, and Sanders is going to make it more interesting.

I would put his odds somewhere in the low thirties to become the eventual Democratic Nominee, and I think he finishes later than people are predicting.

You talk a good game but your wrong. I guess I won't have to shake your hand after all? 

[Adam White]

I hope he does well in the primaries. You could be right - though I bet the shit storm cooked up against him by the Clinton campaign will be epic.

no kidding!

Can you imagine the even more epic shit storm if Hillary doesn't get the nomination again?

Man, that would be fun to watch.

[Tacachale]

Taca, I think I would agree with the comparisons to Howard Dean's early campaign successes. ---Dean ultimately blew it in the first real days of round the clock cable television coverage with his famous scream---it undermined the public opinion about his temperament and fitness to govern back before the days of social media forced everyone to realize that almost everyone has these moments.

But I think the comparison's end there.

These days there is a much better messaging network than there was during those days, and a correspondingly more sophisticated consumer of that information.

Apparently the numbers of the upcoming election require that the Republicans must get 47% of the Latin vote in order to win.  There will be a decreased African American turn out in an election without Obama, heightening the importance of the Latin vote.

So, the republicans can thank Trump for making that goal harder.  The only ticket that would overcome the anti latin rhetoric of the republican field would be Bush/Rubio, and that is the most likely ticket for that reason in my opinion.

But Sanders has a perfect voting score from the NAACP (one of the few senators who has that, btw) and was arrested in the Civil Rights movement for demonstrating.  Also, his social message is going to resonate fairly well with latin voters.

Its going to be an interesting election, and Sanders is going to make it more interesting.

I would put his odds somewhere in the low thirties to become the eventual Democratic Nominee, and I think he finishes later than people are predicting.

I didn't compare Sanders to Dean. I think Dean was a much stronger candidate than Sanders, to be honest. He was the Dem front runner for a good while.

[fsquid]

Trump is literally the only "Republican" that Sanders could beat.

I would have agreed with you two elections ago.  Unfortunately the Republican brand is so damaged, and the country has changed so much due to so many of the GI generation dying off (which they continue to do daily) I doubt very much that would be true by election time.

If these big crowds start getting more diverse, then I would say he's a serious candidate.  Maybe they will be.

[finehoe]

If these big crowds start getting more diverse, then I would say he's a serious candidate. 

Are you talking about Sanders or any Republican?