The Notorious Joaquin 'El Chapo' Guzman Captured

[I-10east]

The Mexican drug lord Joaquin Guzman has been arrested by the Mexican authorities.

www.nbcnews.com/news/world/authories-arrest-mexican-drug-kingpin-joaquin-guzman-n36246

[I-10east]

Is anyone confident that Mexico (a country that's well known for government corruption) is gonna keep this guy into custody? I'm certainly not. He already escaped before in 2001. Because of Mexico's unwillingness to extradite, he'll most likely will never be imprisoned in the US. 

[I-10east]

I called it, he escaped again. Because the Federales are known for their 'unwillingness' to partake in corruption; Not to mention their Supermax-esque impossible prisons to escape from... Nice job Mexico!!!

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/12/world/mexico-el-chapo-escape/

[coredumped]

Makes a good case for the death penalty.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

[thelakelander]

LOL, at the escape path. Guzman is certainly no Andy Dufresne!

After Guzman made his getaway from Mexico's Altiplano prison over the weekend, authorities say they made a shocking find underground: a lighted and ventilated tunnel, replete with tracks and a modified motorcycle inside.

The tunnel, Mexican National Security Commissioner Monte Alejandro Rubido said Sunday, began with a 50 x 50 centimeter (20 x 20 inch) opening inside the shower of Guzman's cell that connected to a vertical passageway going about 10 meters (33 feet) underground. The passageway, outfitted with a ladder, led to a tunnel that was about 1.7 meters (5.5 feet) tall and more than 70 centimeters (28 inches) wide.

It stretched for more than a mile and ended inside a half-built house.

Inside the passageway, investigators found what Rubido described as an "adapted motorcycle on tracks that was likely used to remove dirt during the excavation and transport the tools for the dig."

There's little doubt that someone helped him build it. But the question is, who?

"You cannot build a mile-long tunnel and get into this without some level of corruption," said journalist Ioan Grillo, author of "El Narco: Inside Mexico's Criminal Insurgency."

Full article: http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/12/americas/mexico-el-chapo-escape-sinaloa-cartel-tunnels/index.html

[RattlerGator]

I saw another article that speculated the tunnel probably wasn't even used. He probably walked right out the front gate. Mexico, Mexico, Mexico.

[WarDamJagFan]

Outside of the Middle East, there isn't a sketchier country on the planet than Mexico. The drug cartels run the show down there and estimates of over 100,000 people have been killed in the last 10 years during the Mexico Drug Wars. The latest escape by El Chapo only solidifies just how far the tentacles of the cartels can go. Which also justifies the brash words of the Donald even more. Mexico is not a country you want an open border with.

[Adam White]

Outside of the Middle East, there isn't a sketchier country on the planet than Mexico. The drug cartels run the show down there and estimates of over 100,000 people have been killed in the last 10 years during the Mexico Drug Wars. The latest escape by El Chapo only solidifies just how far the tentacles of the cartels can go. Which also justifies the brash words of the Donald even more. Mexico is not a country you want an open border with.

Trump's words were not justified at all. He didn't say anything about cartels. Trump is a racist - a non-racist person who was worried about the influence of Mexican drug cartels would've worded it differently. The fact is, Trump thinks all Mexicans are criminal and drug addicts -except the "some" he "assumes are good people".

I would love to see some evidence to prove the vast majority of illegal immigrants from Mexico are drug users, criminals and rapists. Because if that cannot be substantiated, Trump is a racist. Simple as.

"They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

[WarDamJagFan]

Outside of the Middle East, there isn't a sketchier country on the planet than Mexico. The drug cartels run the show down there and estimates of over 100,000 people have been killed in the last 10 years during the Mexico Drug Wars. The latest escape by El Chapo only solidifies just how far the tentacles of the cartels can go. Which also justifies the brash words of the Donald even more. Mexico is not a country you want an open border with.

Trump's words were not justified at all. He didn't say anything about cartels. Trump is a racist - a non-racist person who was worried about the influence of Mexican drug cartels would've worded it differently. The fact is, Trump thinks all Mexicans are criminal and drug addicts -except the "some" he "assumes are good people".

I would love to see some evidence to prove the vast majority of illegal immigrants from Mexico are drug users, criminals and rapists. Because if that cannot be substantiated, Trump is a racist. Simple as.

"They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."]"They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

Read his full transcript. For Trump to be a racist - he would have to say something like this: "Latinos are rapists". Considering he said nothing of the sorts, to claim he is a racist is childish. And what more could you possibly need to know that "the vast majority of illegal immigrants from Mexico" are criminals?? They are criminals BY DEFINITION. What part of illegal do you not understand?

[Adam White]

Outside of the Middle East, there isn't a sketchier country on the planet than Mexico. The drug cartels run the show down there and estimates of over 100,000 people have been killed in the last 10 years during the Mexico Drug Wars. The latest escape by El Chapo only solidifies just how far the tentacles of the cartels can go. Which also justifies the brash words of the Donald even more. Mexico is not a country you want an open border with.

Trump's words were not justified at all. He didn't say anything about cartels. Trump is a racist - a non-racist person who was worried about the influence of Mexican drug cartels would've worded it differently. The fact is, Trump thinks all Mexicans are criminal and drug addicts -except the "some" he "assumes are good people".

I would love to see some evidence to prove the vast majority of illegal immigrants from Mexico are drug users, criminals and rapists. Because if that cannot be substantiated, Trump is a racist. Simple as.

"They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."]"They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

Read his full transcript. For Trump to be a racist - he would have to say something like this: "Latinos are rapists". Considering he said nothing of the sorts, to claim he is a racist is childish. And what more could you possibly need to know that "the vast majority of illegal immigrants from Mexico" are criminals?? They are criminals BY DEFINITION. What part of illegal do you not understand?

No, calling Mexicans criminals, rapists, etc is by definition racism. Also - he said they're "bringing crime". That's not the same as breaking a law by sneaking into a country.

[WarDamJagFan]

Outside of the Middle East, there isn't a sketchier country on the planet than Mexico. The drug cartels run the show down there and estimates of over 100,000 people have been killed in the last 10 years during the Mexico Drug Wars. The latest escape by El Chapo only solidifies just how far the tentacles of the cartels can go. Which also justifies the brash words of the Donald even more. Mexico is not a country you want an open border with.

Trump's words were not justified at all. He didn't say anything about cartels. Trump is a racist - a non-racist person who was worried about the influence of Mexican drug cartels would've worded it differently. The fact is, Trump thinks all Mexicans are criminal and drug addicts -except the "some" he "assumes are good people".

I would love to see some evidence to prove the vast majority of illegal immigrants from Mexico are drug users, criminals and rapists. Because if that cannot be substantiated, Trump is a racist. Simple as.

"They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."]"They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

Read his full transcript. For Trump to be a racist - he would have to say something like this: "Latinos are rapists". Considering he said nothing of the sorts, to claim he is a racist is childish. And what more could you possibly need to know that "the vast majority of illegal immigrants from Mexico" are criminals?? They are criminals BY DEFINITION. What part of illegal do you not understand?

No, calling Mexicans criminals, rapists, etc is by definition racism. Also - he said they're "bringing crime". That's not the same as breaking a law by sneaking into a country.

Mexican isn't a race. And again, he isn't talking about Mexicans. He's talking about illegals. It's a crime to break into a country illegally and not leave. And yes, a lot of illegal aliens bring crime with them and continue to commit crimes even after they've been released from prison. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/30/illegal-immigrants-released-custody-committed-1000/

[Adam White]

Outside of the Middle East, there isn't a sketchier country on the planet than Mexico. The drug cartels run the show down there and estimates of over 100,000 people have been killed in the last 10 years during the Mexico Drug Wars. The latest escape by El Chapo only solidifies just how far the tentacles of the cartels can go. Which also justifies the brash words of the Donald even more. Mexico is not a country you want an open border with.

Trump's words were not justified at all. He didn't say anything about cartels. Trump is a racist - a non-racist person who was worried about the influence of Mexican drug cartels would've worded it differently. The fact is, Trump thinks all Mexicans are criminal and drug addicts -except the "some" he "assumes are good people".

I would love to see some evidence to prove the vast majority of illegal immigrants from Mexico are drug users, criminals and rapists. Because if that cannot be substantiated, Trump is a racist. Simple as.

"They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."]"They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

Read his full transcript. For Trump to be a racist - he would have to say something like this: "Latinos are rapists". Considering he said nothing of the sorts, to claim he is a racist is childish. And what more could you possibly need to know that "the vast majority of illegal immigrants from Mexico" are criminals?? They are criminals BY DEFINITION. What part of illegal do you not understand?

No, calling Mexicans criminals, rapists, etc is by definition racism. Also - he said they're "bringing crime". That's not the same as breaking a law by sneaking into a country.

Mexican isn't a race. And again, he isn't talking about Mexicans. He's talking about illegals. It's a crime to break into a country illegally and not leave. And yes, a lot of illegal aliens bring crime with them and continue to commit crimes even after they've been released from prison. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/30/illegal-immigrants-released-custody-committed-1000/

That is the most tired argument I've heard - and unfortunately it gets repeated over and over by people with limited life experience. X isn't a race. Well - what is a race? Where does race end and ethnicity begin? No one knows where. So racism has become the accepted term for what you and others might consider bigotry aimed at a particular ethnic group.

For example, the UK's Crime and Disorder Act (1998) states: "A racial group means a group of persons defined by reference to race, colour, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origins."

The UN defines racial discrimination as meaning any distinction, exclusion, restriction, or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin that has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.

So the UN also defines race and ethnicity as essentially the same thing. You may not agree, but I think there is evidence from the two examples above that it is not incorrect in today's world to refer to anti-Mexican sentiment as "racism".

What's more humorous to me, however, is the defence you offer - you quibble the definition of the word "racism". Oh yeah, Trump is a bigot but he's no RACIST!

Trump has a long history of saying and doing racist things. You'd think his ridiculous attempts to "prove" President Obama was born in Kenya would be evidence enough.

As far as your contention that his comments were about illegals and not Mexicans in general - so? Illegals are a subset of Mexican society - they aren't a separate group of people that don't share the same traits as other Mexicans. To call them rapists, drug dealers and criminals is to paint all Mexicans with the same brush.

And that douche also goes on and on about how "Scottish" he is (yeah, right). If he is descended from immigrants, perhaps he should be a little bit more reasonable. He doesn't have to support illegal immigration - but he also doesn't have to dehumanise those who risk their lives trying to cross into the USA (for better or worse).

[JeffreyS]

Adam your skating by on a technicality. Racist rarely will spell it out in the proper vernacular to appease Webster's definition. So if it  soothes your mind to call him a bigot instead of a racist that's fine but realize you're just playing the word game.

[Adam White]

Adam your skating by on a technicality. Racist rarely will spell it out in the proper vernacular to appease Webster's definition. So if it  soothes your mind to call him a bigot instead of a racist that's fine but realize you're just playing the word game.

So - are you really getting hung up on semantics here? Is the issue really about what the appropriate label is for Trump's form of bigotry?

As far as a technicality goes - I don't think so. Anti-Mexican comments can be considered racist. I've provided two definitions that show that racism can be used as a term to describe this sort of thing. You don't have to agree (which basically makes you look ignorant), but it at least shows that people in the world today consider it to be an accurate use of the word "racism". So I'm not off-base to call his behaviour racist (or him) racist.

Again - the point is not about the label, it's about the intent and the action. What is the difference between being "racist" (using your definition) and being a bigot? Just casting the net slightly wider? Is that what you want to make an issue of?