Khan's Jacksonville Shipyards Plans Revealed

[neptune]

Have there been any estimates of the quantity of uses (order-of-magnitude at this conceptual phase of plan development) for apartment/condo units,  hotel rooms, office, retail, sports, etc square feet? I would be concerned that this project developed as a "single phase" could suck up all the demand in the area and make other downtown projects no longer sufficiently supported by market demand.  This project could have the "mojo" to alter the attraction of downtown versus other competitive N FL locations, but only to a degree.  Some truly iconic architecture as referenced by the Sydney Opera House would contribute to that ability, but nothing of that quality is yet shown in these plans.  Hopefully yet to be revealed. 

[Kerry]

I cringe when I hear the phrase "iconic architecture' because it always seems to be more about a specific building instead of place making - and place making in Jax is in very short supply.  I would rather the area be 'iconic' in the macro sense, not the micro.  The world is litter with piece of crap architecture that was passed off as iconic by some hack architect or developer and not a single person can tell where any of it is located just by seeing an image of it.

[ProjectMaximus]

Have there been any estimates of the quantity of uses (order-of-magnitude at this conceptual phase of plan development) for apartment/condo units,  hotel rooms, office, retail, sports, etc square feet? I would be concerned that this project developed as a "single phase" could suck up all the demand in the area and make other downtown projects no longer sufficiently supported by market demand.  This project could have the "mojo" to alter the attraction of downtown versus other competitive N FL locations, but only to a degree.  Some truly iconic architecture as referenced by the Sydney Opera House would contribute to that ability, but nothing of that quality is yet shown in these plans.  Hopefully yet to be revealed.

I don't think there's any way it's gonna be done in a single phase...hopefully single master plan and single vision, but not a single phase. No need to worry about that. And I'd imagine such a development would probably require and even attract one or two major corporate relos to anchor the site. I hope Khan's mojo will work with all the folks in western europe. I think it will. 

[thelakelander]

I cringe when I hear the phrase "iconic architecture' because it always seems to be more about a specific building instead of place making - and place making in Jax is in very short supply.  I would rather the area be 'iconic' in the macro sense, not the micro.  The world is litter with piece of crap architecture that was passed off as iconic by some hack architect or developer and not a single person can tell where any of it is located just by seeing an image of it.

The way I see it, there's the scene already has something iconic sitting in the middle of it.



It's been apart of the East Bay Street scene for over 100 years. Jax should cherish it....

[jaxjags]

In terms of attracting western companies, think how Kahn has worked in the past with the stadium. Usually by time it's announced it's a done deal. Probably has some preliminary agreements in place. But using good business sense, would never announce until all was in place with the city in terms of RFP's, finance and land remediation.

[vicupstate]

Have there been any estimates of the quantity of uses (order-of-magnitude at this conceptual phase of plan development) for apartment/condo units,  hotel rooms, office, retail, sports, etc square feet? I would be concerned that this project developed as a "single phase" could suck up all the demand in the area and make other downtown projects no longer sufficiently supported by market demand.  This project could have the "mojo" to alter the attraction of downtown versus other competitive N FL locations, but only to a degree.  Some truly iconic architecture as referenced by the Sydney Opera House would contribute to that ability, but nothing of that quality is yet shown in these plans.  Hopefully yet to be revealed.

I don't think there's any way it's gonna be done in a single phase...hopefully single master plan and single vision, but not a single phase. No need to worry about that. And I'd imagine such a development would probably require and even attract one or two major corporate relos to anchor the site. I hope Khan's mojo will work with all the folks in western europe. I think it will. 

I don't see how it can be done in a single phase either, and when I saw that stated it undermined the credibility of the whole thing. If downtown were truly revived already, that might have a LITTLE bit of cred, but it has none in this situation.   

[coredumped]

I would argue the town center was pretty much done in a single phase. The "true" town center, not the "markets at town center." Sure, they've added to it, but it was successful before all that.

[thelakelander]

It's hard to compare the development of a single floor shopping and strip mall with a mixed use infill development project like the Shipyards. The expansion of SJTC is no different from the incremental expansions of Gateway and Regency, decades earlier. So far, the SJTC has had three major phases of development over the course of a 9 year period. The first phase was the power center anchored by Target and the strip of shops anchored by Dillard's and Dick's. It opened around 2005. The second phase came a few years later, bringing in upscale shops and a cluster of restaurants near JTB. The most recent phase is the Nordstrom's wing. It opened in late 2014.

[jaxjaguar]

Wasn't the World Golf Hall of Fame one phase? I feel like that would be the closest comparison, although not a good example of a successful development.

[thelakelander]

World Golf Hall of Fame doesn't appear to have ever been completed.

[JBTripper]

I think this thing would absolutely have to come up in one phase. How are you going to lure a corporate headquarters to a brownfield across the street from a jail and next to a crumbling condominium? Especially considering the history of this site and DT Jax, why would anyone believe that all of the other phases are ever going to happen? Does anyone believe they'll ever put any ground-floor retail in that new DT parking garage?

[iMarvin]

I don't see why or how it can't be done in one phase either. The residential, office, and retail would all need each other to be successful.

[vicupstate]

Can someone give me examples of projects of this magnitude, or for that matter half this size, that occurred in one phase, excluding NYC, Chicago, LA?     
Projects that are strictly public works would not count. 

[Rynjny]

http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=544944

[Rynjny]

So Khan just wants the land, clean up of the land and some tax breaks..this is such a city friendly deal. the shipyard land cost 28 mil and the clean up cost 35 mil.