Presentation for: New Southbank Riverwalk

Started by Metro Jacksonville, August 01, 2013, 09:31:00 AM

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Bridges

#45
February 12, 2015, 02:42:59 PM
So, this one is on DDRB, right?  The same review board that at first didn't have retail in the Parador Garage, and then later added undersized retail?  The same review board that approved of the original layout in Brooklyn?

Seems like there might be a real problem here between visions of Downtown. 
So I said to him: Arthur, Artie come on, why does the salesman have to die? Change the title; The life of a salesman. That's what people want to see.

Noone

#46
February 12, 2015, 07:13:22 PM
Quote from: tufsu1 on February 12, 2015, 09:46:32 AM
Quote from: vicupstate on February 12, 2015, 08:12:50 AM
The benches and those canvas things need to just come out altogether. The path is too narrow even without them.

The canvas canopies offer shade which will is very important.  As CM redman notes, it is a pretty easy fix.  Just remove the circular benches and put straight benches on either side of the canopy poles.  That will provide 8+ feet of walking space.


tufsu1 not picking on you but are you a member of the DDRB? Just asking.

InnerCityPressure

#47
February 12, 2015, 07:28:23 PM
^ WOW!  I understand a Noone post!

tufsu1

#48
February 12, 2015, 09:53:00 PM
This project came to DDRB prior to my appointment.  That said, they likely would have reviewed the general concept and types of materials.  I believe the full details (like circular benches vs. straight benches) would have been approved by the permitting agencies.

tufsu1

#49
February 12, 2015, 09:55:36 PM
Quote from: Bridges on February 12, 2015, 02:42:59 PM
So, this one is on DDRB, right?  The same review board that at first didn't have retail in the Parador Garage, and then later added undersized retail?  The same review board that approved of the original layout in Brooklyn?

DDRB did not approve the Parador Garage without retail.  Their comments are precisely why there is a retail component planned.  DDRB also did not approve the original layout in Brooklyn.  Their comments led to at least two revisions, moving several buildings to the street.

Bridges

#50
February 12, 2015, 10:22:49 PM
^So you guys missed this one? How does this happen?
So I said to him: Arthur, Artie come on, why does the salesman have to die? Change the title; The life of a salesman. That's what people want to see.

Noone

#53
February 13, 2015, 08:26:45 AM
^Hey, On a side note when they have this squeeze walk, run, bicycle, opening grand ceremonies everyone should be holding hands especially at the end by the DCPS building and next to Healthy Town and be singin Kumbaya.

WTF- Want to Fish?

Someone's Fishin Lord, Kumbaya
Someone's Fishin Lord, Kumbaya

urbanlibertarian

#54
February 13, 2015, 10:38:33 AM
Why are the outide railings anchored to the horizontal surface and why are the railings so wide wasting 1 to 2 feet of usable pathway?  Safety?  Durability?  Looks to me like the basic width was adequate until the railings, benches and canopies were added.
Sed quis custodiet ipsos cutodes (Who watches the watchmen?)

thelakelander

#55
February 13, 2015, 10:48:06 AM
It's definitely much more narrow in width than the wooden version it replaced.  Considering all we've heard about this is how it could accommodate both cyclist and pedestrians, I wonder why it was not build at the same width as the old riverwalk?

With that said, at 8' wide, the limited space has to be utilized properly to the max. The railings, benches (even the straight ones), and canopies are all designed in ways that do the complete opposite of better utilizing limited space.
"A man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life." - Muhammad Ali

Tacachale

#57
February 13, 2015, 11:20:26 AM
Someone, or more likely a number of people, dropped the ball on this big time. Unfortunately, it's not even surprising at this point.
Do you believe that when the blue jay or another bird sings and the body is trembling, that is a signal that people are coming or something important is about to happen?

tufsu1

#58
February 13, 2015, 11:49:30 AM
Quote from: thelakelander on February 13, 2015, 10:48:06 AM
With that said, at 8' wide, the limited space has to be utilized properly to the max. The railings, benches (even the straight ones), and canopies are all designed in ways that do the complete opposite of better utilizing limited space.

I disagree.  I think there are good reasons for the railing design (more ship like and safety)...and I think the benches and canopies encourage people to linger....I don't think it was designed to primarily be a biking/skating/running path.

thelakelander

#59
February 13, 2015, 12:05:01 PM
These things are all fine and dandy and can be easily accommodated.....when the width of the path isn't reduced to something as minimal as 8' in. At 8', it's short sighted thinking at best because the actual usable width is much less than that.

Areas for lingering that don't impact the travelway/throughway should be included.....or it should have been built at the same width it was before.

"A man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life." - Muhammad Ali
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