south Liberty Street Drama

[downtownbrown]

^I wonder what sort of engineering scope and timeline replacing the whole thing entails.

[tufsu1]

...and no power to those townhomes yet.  How many neighborhoods in Jax go without power for over a week because of some city structural failure?  I doubt there will be power a week from now.  And no action by FDOT yet.  I hope the media stays on this.  Getting to be kind of outrageous.

I find it odd that JEA is getting a complete pass on it taking 2 weeks to get a temporary generator out there!

[spuwho]

There isnt an important enough person living in the townhomes with no power.

Perhaps someone should grab some art from MOCA and place it prominently around the collapse so Clay can email Alvin on it so he can bring it up with JEA on the pension extortion meeting, then JEA can threaten to shut off the power to FDOT lightpoles and signals until they agree to pay for the needed generators....but the generators cant be placed until a COJ permit can be issued and the permit is being held up becuase Clay can still see the MOCA artwork from their office windows.

Such is life in the workings of the bold city.

[Josh]

...and no power to those townhomes yet.  How many neighborhoods in Jax go without power for over a week because of some city structural failure?  I doubt there will be power a week from now.  And no action by FDOT yet.  I hope the media stays on this.  Getting to be kind of outrageous.

I find it odd that JEA is getting a complete pass on it taking 2 weeks to get a temporary generator out there!

The electrical systems on the townhome side were damaged, and haven't been repaired to the point they can accept power; permanent or generator power.

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/news/local/homeowners-upset-after-week-without-electricity-du/nj6qX/

[downtownbrown]

^ that's right.  JEA stops at the edge of the townhome property.  The private contractor needs to fix the system so it can accept power.  That will not be soon. 

I would advise the city to make those residents whole on their out of pocket ordeal.  No sense wasting time on litigation.  Imagine if the bridge collapse caused damage to the townhome/parking garage structure.  A significant budgetary line item, to be sure.

[downtownbrown]

FDOT has $33 million budgeted in 2020 for the bridge replacement of Coastline Drive and Liberty Street. The former courthouse parking lot is not included in that number. At this point, I'd rather see the entire thing come down and that $33 million invested in something else......assuming it can stay local.

Actually, not true.  The FDOT is changing their Repair/Replacement program and has taken this project out of their work program.  The city has no idea what that means in terms of money for repairs.

[tufsu1]

^ Road bridges in Florida are under FDOT's jurisdiction.  This is their job!

[Charley]

For information to all who are reading. The town homes association name is "The Riverwalk Townhomes at The Plaza."

Yes the Riverwalk Townhomes are built over water, but they are built on a foundation of driven concrete pilings, not on the original pilings supporting the old parking lot and bridge.

The cables that were torn out of a JEA transformer by the colloapse of Liberty Street provide power to Riverwalk lighting behind our homes and sidewalk lighting in front of our homes (both City property) as well as powering our homes. So then, the power source for those cables is shared between the townhomes and the City. How then can the City and JEA say that the townhome owners are solely responsible for replacing those cables?

If the townhome owners bear the full responsibility for replacing the cables destroyed by the collapse of Liberty Street, can those home owners then refuse to allow the city to use their private cables to power the Riverwalk and sidewalk lighting without paying the townhome owners for the right to tap into private cables?

[Marle Brando]

^interesting. Too much politics not even one step closer towards a solution. I feel the town home owners are being unfairly victimized by the process. The city 'found' money through its self auditing so maybe some should be diverted to at least getting these residents some form of power ASAP. Come on Jacksonville!

[downtownbrown]

^ Road bridges in Florida are under FDOT's jurisdiction.  This is their job!

Yes, but the point is that $33 million for replacement in 2020 doesn't exist anymore.

[downtownbrown]

For information to all who are reading. The town homes association name is "The Riverwalk Townhomes at The Plaza."

Yes the Riverwalk Townhomes are built over water, but they are built on a foundation of driven concrete pilings, not on the original pilings supporting the old parking lot and bridge.

The cables that were torn out of a JEA transformer by the colloapse of Liberty Street provide power to Riverwalk lighting behind our homes and sidewalk lighting in front of our homes (both City property) as well as powering our homes. So then, the power source for those cables is shared between the townhomes and the City. How then can the City and JEA say that the townhome owners are solely responsible for replacing those cables?

If the townhome owners bear the full responsibility for replacing the cables destroyed by the collapse of Liberty Street, can those home owners then refuse to allow the city to use their private cables to power the Riverwalk and sidewalk lighting without paying the townhome owners for the right to tap into private cables?

JEA doesn't go on private property.  They wouldn't wire your house, and they won't wire the townhomes.

[thelakelander]

^ Road bridges in Florida are under FDOT's jurisdiction.  This is their job!

Yes, but the point is that $33 million for replacement in 2020 doesn't exist anymore.

Do you have a link to this information?

[downtownbrown]

^ I don't.  Info came from Public Works.

[thelakelander]

Hmm. Although it doesn't mean the money is available right now, as of three months ago it was included and still shows up on FDOT's site:

http://d2wpph.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/Duval.pdf

Could Public Works be wrong?

[tufsu1]

The FDOT Work Program gets submitted each March to the Legislature for approval.  If approved, it is effective July 1, 2015. And of course it can, and often is, amended.

Perhaps Public Works is confused because FDOT did push the project back from FY 2017 to FY 2020.