south Liberty Street Drama

[Ocklawaha]

My first thoughts were; "Oh shit! Where's Noone!"

This entire north bank area is effected by the continuous sweep and current of the river as it makes the bend under the Acosta. Bridge scour is deadly to over water structures and this one is no different. I'd also bet you dollars that the long delayed, half efforts at a complete underwater Matthews and Hart Bridge inspection are going to turn up similar dire issues. Call this simply a clear warning of things to come.

[downtownbrown]

^hard to dispute that theory. Clearly, the current is pretty violent on the north bank.  no telling what that does over time without robust maintenance 

[tufsu1]

$33 million is a lot of money for a parking lot. How much is that per space?

I don't know precisely how many spots there are, but just a quick look at it, it looks as though there are about 25 of those diagonal parking spots per row and about 12 of those rows (6 face-to-face) and then there are those parallel spots on both side and lastly the ones facing Courthouse Drive. Rough approximation, we're looking at around $100,000+ per spot.

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which means if we're going to spend $33 million rebuilding the structure, we should make sure it can handle the weight of a building (like the Hyatt and Landing sites).

[thelakelander]

My bad. $33 million is just for the reconstruction of Liberty Street and Coastline Drive. The reconstruction of the actual parking deck would significantly add to that cost.

[I-10east]

IMO the real big negative issue is this power issue at the Berkman, moreso than a hole on the ass end of a street with very little traffic use and a defunct Courthouse parking lot.

[Noone]

Wow. I guess it's a little bigger than a pothole now!



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[I-10east]

Are there any cities with similar 'large floating infrastructure' if you get my drift? Is it normal for a city to have a block supported by piers over a body of water? This seems like a dumb idea from the 50's. Luckily the FDOT is in charge of that mess. I think that any collapse is usually spectacular and flashy like it's the end of the world, but in reality the only thing this is effecting is the Berkman. Luckily the Duval judicial system got the hell outta there in time.   

I say that the FDOT should go like Dubai/NYC and extend the bulkhead with artificial land or just tear it down altogether. Really the only thing that would be saved is a few yards of the Riverwalk, and I truly question whether it's existence is even feasible. Why in the hell would Berkman or whoever install lines underneath that thing instead of within the bulkhead?

[downtownbrown]

Interesting alternative to put in a proper bulkhead and put actual fill dirt in.  You could create a real green space that way, and somewhere in florida there would be a huge new lake (or a much deeper river). 

[downtownbrown]

Are there any cities with similar 'large floating infrastructure' if you get my drift? Is it normal for a city to have a block supported by piers over a body of water? This seems like a dumb idea from the 50's. Luckily the FDOT is in charge of that mess. I think that any collapse is usually spectacular and flashy like it's the end of the world, but in reality the only thing this is effecting is the Berkman. Luckily the Duval judicial system got the hell outta there in time.   

More common than you might think.  http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/24/nyregion/cleaner-new-york-harbor-brings-pests-that-plague-park-projects.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

[thelakelander]

Interesting alternative to put in a proper bulkhead and put actual fill dirt in.  You could create a real green space that way, and somewhere in florida there would be a huge new lake (or a much deeper river).

Isn't the river something like 60' deep in this area? That's a lot of fill dirt.

[I-10east]

^^^Damn, I didn't know it was that deep. Deeper than our channel, really?

[downtownbrown]

I'm not sure how deep it is at the end, but I know that the Berkman marina is not deep at all.  A lot of sandbars pushed up by the current. 

[tufsu1]

the center of the river is as much as 70' deep through parts of the downtown area....but obviously at the shoreline it is far less.

Also, the current moves pretty fast through downtown as it is...imagine how much faster it would be if we built a bulkhead and filled in this area!

[downtownbrown]

True that.  As it is, the River City Marina is considered one of the hardest places to dock in the whole State.

[Steve]

Isn't an idea just to remove the floating parking lot? Reroute the river walk around that block.

Realistically, anything substantial built there would require it to be filled in, and we have plenty of lots downtown that are vacant. Do we need another?