Your Faith Might Cost You Your Next Job

Started by spuwho, June 19, 2014, 10:59:04 PM

AuditoreEnterprise

I do agree there are a lot of cases out there for all types of discrimination. Political and religious being the top ones. That being said I have actually seen it happen without even noticing until well after the incident happened. In California there was a kid who I helped get into a paralegal program. Most of the people got jobs after the class ended however all the females were already hired before the class ever ended. I drove this kid to about 8 interviews until he came out once and told me that the lawyer told him that he would be looking for a while as most attorney`s want the women in the office over the men. He found a job about a year later with a female attorney.

I have also seen a few religious people of different associations be passed on jobs they were clearly qualified for, but they were similar to the story in the article where their resume revolved around the church they attended.

I do think it is wrong to descriminate regardless of any factor, however from a business standpoint I get their point of view by not wanting to appear affilitated to certain groups, parties or causes. But the bottom line is it still isn't right to descriminate period.
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finehoe

It would seem that there are two sides to this coin:

Growing coalition presses Obama to end policy on religious discrimination in hiring

BY ADELLE M. BANKS | RELIGION NEWS SERVICE  June 20 at 2:51 PM
WASHINGTON — A widening coalition of critics is urging the Obama administration to drop the practice of permitting religious groups to hire and fire based on a person's faith when they receive federal money, saying Obama is reneging on a promise he made in 2008 to change that policy.

Ninety organizations wrote to Attorney General Eric Holder after discovering a new Department of Justice document that details rules on prohibiting discrimination by grant recipients as part of the reauthorization of the Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act.

The 11-page FAQ document, issued in April and citing a 2007 DOJ memo issued by the Bush administration, says faith-based organizations "may prefer co-religionists for employees in programs funded by covered grants" if they meet certain criteria.

Signatories to the June 10 letter said the Bush-era memo from the Office of Legal Counsel should be withdrawn because it "threatens core civil rights and religious freedom protections" in the Justice Department and other federal agencies. They say the memo undermines new nondiscrimination language in the Violence Against Women Act.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/religion/growing-coalition-presses-obama-to-end-policy-on-religious-discrimination-in-hiring/2014/06/20/d7cb1a18-f8ab-11e3-af55-076a4c5f20a0_story.html

ben says

It's 2014 and humans still believe in things they can't see/touch/hear/feel & for which no evidence exists....

Sounds like civilization is on the right track!

(Sorry, had to)
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Tacachale

No, you really didn't. At any rate, it's worth pointing out that the studies found atheists came out worse than any other group besides Muslims.
Do you believe that when the blue jay or another bird sings and the body is trembling, that is a signal that people are coming or something important is about to happen?

spuwho

Quote from: ben says on June 21, 2014, 03:48:42 PM
It's 2014 and humans still believe in things they can't see/touch/hear/feel & for which no evidence exists....


Didn't Ellie Araway have the same problem in the movie "Contact"?

NotNow

Quote from: ben says on June 21, 2014, 03:48:42 PM
It's 2014 and humans still believe in things they can't see/touch/hear/feel & for which no evidence exists....

Sounds like civilization is on the right track!

(Sorry, had to)

And like many others here, with your cumulative knowledge of the universe you are willing to disregard thousands of years of wisdom.  Because you, the ultimate example of human existence, can't understand it, religion must be the imagination of others.   

ar·ro·gance noun \ˈer-ə-gən(t)s, ˈa-rə-\
: an insulting way of thinking or behaving that comes from believing that you are better, smarter, or more important than other people
Deo adjuvante non timendum

Demosthenes

what a preposterous stance. Just because people believe it, doesn't make it wise or real, it just makes it a dogma. The greatest attribute of humans is that we can learn from ours mistakes. It's pretty freaking arrogant to thing you belong to a club of eternal salvation simply because your invisible guiding force seems more real to you than someone else's invisible guiding force. 
Quote from: NotNow on June 21, 2014, 04:23:44 PM
Quote from: ben says on June 21, 2014, 03:48:42 PM
It's 2014 and humans still believe in things they can't see/touch/hear/feel & for which no evidence exists....

Sounds like civilization is on the right track!

(Sorry, had to)

And like many others here, with your cumulative knowledge of the universe you are willing to disregard thousands of years of wisdom.  Because you, the ultimate example of human existence, can't understand it, religion must be the imagination of others.   

ar·ro·gance noun \ˈer-ə-gən(t)s, ˈa-rə-\
: an insulting way of thinking or behaving that comes from believing that you are better, smarter, or more important than other people

ben says

Quote from: Demosthenes on June 21, 2014, 05:21:35 PM
what a preposterous stance. Just because people believe it, doesn't make it wise or real, it just makes it a dogma. The greatest attribute of humans is that we can learn from ours mistakes. It's pretty freaking arrogant to thing you belong to a club of eternal salvation simply because your invisible guiding force seems more real to you than someone else's invisible guiding force. 
Quote from: NotNow on June 21, 2014, 04:23:44 PM
Quote from: ben says on June 21, 2014, 03:48:42 PM
It's 2014 and humans still believe in things they can't see/touch/hear/feel & for which no evidence exists....

Sounds like civilization is on the right track!

(Sorry, had to)

And like many others here, with your cumulative knowledge of the universe you are willing to disregard thousands of years of wisdom.  Because you, the ultimate example of human existence, can't understand it, religion must be the imagination of others.   

ar·ro·gance noun \ˈer-ə-gən(t)s, ˈa-rə-\
: an insulting way of thinking or behaving that comes from believing that you are better, smarter, or more important than other people

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NotNow

Quote from: ben says on June 21, 2014, 05:50:11 PM
Quote from: Demosthenes on June 21, 2014, 05:21:35 PM
what a preposterous stance. Just because people believe it, doesn't make it wise or real, it just makes it a dogma. The greatest attribute of humans is that we can learn from ours mistakes. It's pretty freaking arrogant to thing you belong to a club of eternal salvation simply because your invisible guiding force seems more real to you than someone else's invisible guiding force. 
Quote from: NotNow on June 21, 2014, 04:23:44 PM
Quote from: ben says on June 21, 2014, 03:48:42 PM
It's 2014 and humans still believe in things they can't see/touch/hear/feel & for which no evidence exists....

Sounds like civilization is on the right track!

(Sorry, had to)

And like many others here, with your cumulative knowledge of the universe you are willing to disregard thousands of years of wisdom.  Because you, the ultimate example of human existence, can't understand it, religion must be the imagination of others.   

ar·ro·gance noun \ˈer-ə-gən(t)s, ˈa-rə-\
: an insulting way of thinking or behaving that comes from believing that you are better, smarter, or more important than other people

+1111010101010000000

It is preposterous to believe that you can propose or denounce the answers to questions that are beyond our ability to solve.  Your "pronouncements of scientific fact" are based on the same type of malleable foundation of knowledge that produced a flat Earth theory and leech therapy.  Our own state of advancement is unknown to us as we have no guide to go by, other than our own history.  The religions that you so easily deride are based on this history.  You also completely ignore the personal experiences of many people, simply because you have not had any religious experience yourself. 

Miracles (incidents that have no scientific explanation) happen all the time.  Your guess is that these are the product of unknown factors and chance.  To others, this is evidence of the power of prayer and the hand of God.  Who are you or I to insist on our perception as the only "right" one?
Deo adjuvante non timendum

ronchamblin

Quote from: stephendare on June 21, 2014, 05:05:07 PM
Quote from: ben says on June 21, 2014, 03:48:42 PM
It's 2014 and humans still believe in things they can't see/touch/hear/feel & for which no evidence exists....

Sounds like civilization is on the right track!

(Sorry, had to)

Don't you think that this is our greatest (and perhaps our only) strength as a species?

Don't be absurd.  Certainly not.

IrvAdams

Quote from: stephendare on June 22, 2014, 03:06:12 AM
Quote from: Demosthenes on June 21, 2014, 05:21:35 PM
The greatest attribute of humans is that we can learn from ours mistakes.

You have to admit though, we don't seem to be very good at this.

Agree. If anything, we tend to repeat exactly the same mistakes over and over. Except the scale, thanks to technology, tends to get larger and larger each time. Not a good trend.
"He who controls others may be powerful, but he who has mastered himself is mightier still"
- Lao Tzu

ben says

Quote from: stephendare on June 22, 2014, 03:06:12 AM
Quote from: Demosthenes on June 21, 2014, 05:21:35 PM
The greatest attribute of humans is that we can learn from ours mistakes.

You have to admit though, we don't seem to be very good at this.

Ha! I think we can agree on this.
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