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A Good Thing or Not

Started by 02roadking, February 04, 2014, 08:10:45 AM

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BridgeTroll

#15
February 04, 2014, 03:31:15 PM
Quote from: thelakelander on February 04, 2014, 03:21:52 PM
I'm sure residents of Portland are familiar with Trader Joes. There's a larger story behind all of this.

A bit more...

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/12/portland_african_american_lead.html
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

BridgeTroll

#16
February 04, 2014, 03:38:11 PM
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

Tacachale

#17
February 04, 2014, 03:56:54 PM
I'm sure it has far more to do with property values than Trader Joes itself. It seems likely a major investment like that would contribute to higher values, and therefore higher taxes and rent.
Do you believe that when the blue jay or another bird sings and the body is trembling, that is a signal that people are coming or something important is about to happen?

FSBA

#18
February 04, 2014, 11:59:24 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on February 04, 2014, 03:56:54 PM
I'm sure it has far more to do with property values than Trader Joes itself. It seems likely a major investment like that would contribute to higher values, and therefore higher taxes and rent.

Bull the fuck shit. Someone with connections had eyes on the property and Trader Joes beat him to it.Just beat the economic and racist drum and people flock.
I support meaningless jingoistic cliches

Tacachale

#19
February 05, 2014, 12:12:56 AM
Quote from: FSBA on February 04, 2014, 11:59:24 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on February 04, 2014, 03:56:54 PM
I'm sure it has far more to do with property values than Trader Joes itself. It seems likely a major investment like that would contribute to higher values, and therefore higher taxes and rent.

Bull the fuck shit. Someone with connections had eyes on the property and Trader Joes beat him to it.Just beat the economic and racist drum and people flock.

That's a good way to get people to tune you out before you even get to the point you're trying to make.
Do you believe that when the blue jay or another bird sings and the body is trembling, that is a signal that people are coming or something important is about to happen?

Tacachale

#20
February 05, 2014, 12:40:51 AM
I didn't say it's a good thing, but stuff like this happens all over the country, as others have said. People get worried about new changes "bringing down" the neighborhood in some cases, or increasing land values and pricing out current residents in other cases. People have opinions, and very often the greater context is a bigger part of the story than than one individual development.
Do you believe that when the blue jay or another bird sings and the body is trembling, that is a signal that people are coming or something important is about to happen?

finehoe

#21
February 05, 2014, 02:55:04 PM
Profiling some newly mixed neighborhoods, Justin Davidson notes that the "link between a neighborhood's economic fortunes and the number of people being forced to move away, while anecdotally obvious, is difficult to document":

QuoteIn 2005, Lance Freeman, a professor of urban planning at Columbia, examined national housing statistics to see whether low-income residents move more often once their neighborhoods start to gentrify. His conclusion was that they don't. Mobility, he suggested, is a fact of American life, and he could find no evidence to suggest that gentrification intensifies it. Instead, it appears that many low-income renters stay put even as their rents go up. ... [Freeman] doesn't doubt that displacement occurs, but he describes it as an inevitable consequence of capitalism. "If we are going to allow housing to be a market commodity, then we have to live with the downsides, even though we can blunt the negative effects to some extent. It's pretty hard to get around that."

That infuriates the British scholar Tom Slater, who sees Freeman's data studies as largely irrelevant because, he has written, they "cannot capture the struggles low-income and working-class people endure to remain where they are." Freeman waves away the binary rhetoric. "You can't boil gentrification down to good-guy-versus-bad-guy. That makes a good morality play, but life is a lot messier than that."

http://nymag.com/news/features/gentrification-2014-2/

Jaxclarks

#22
February 05, 2014, 03:27:24 PM Last Edit: February 05, 2014, 03:29:38 PM by Jaxclarks
Kind of damned if you do, damned if you don't.  These areas, like Springfield, have been crying because they have no access to quality food and are inundated by liquor stores and convenience store.  As soon as a quality supermarket attempts to satisfy the community they get bad press.  Trader Joe's is awesome!  They have great food, produce and very interesting products.  I visited the one on San Francisco and was thoroughly impressed.  They will fit into that community, they will make the effort to fit, and the community will learn to love them.  I say Springfield should roll out the red carpet! 

thelakelander

#23
February 05, 2014, 03:33:19 PM
Trader Joe's isn't considering Springfield and the Portland neighborhood where the TJ deal fell through, seems to be well ahead of Springfield at this point. Nevertheless, I don't believe any Jax neighborhood would outright reject a grocery not affiliated with Walmart from opening.
"A man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life." - Muhammad Ali

Jaxclarks

#24
February 05, 2014, 03:39:13 PM
Too bad, because Trader Joe's would be great in Springfield.  They are opening in Jacksonville Beach.  Maybe when they get there they can look around Jacksonville for more opportunities.   

civil42806

#25
February 05, 2014, 03:45:19 PM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on February 04, 2014, 03:38:11 PM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on February 04, 2014, 03:31:15 PM
Quote from: thelakelander on February 04, 2014, 03:21:52 PM
I'm sure residents of Portland are familiar with Trader Joes. There's a larger story behind all of this.

A bit more...

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/12/portland_african_american_lead.html


A PDF link of letter from PAALF to Mayor...

http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/929379/paalf-letter-regarding-trader-joes.pdf

interesting letter, basically damned if you do, damned if you don't. Trader Joes made the right decision. 
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