Russian Propagandists are Hard at Work Spinning Invasion as America's Fault 2008

[BridgeTroll]

Europe has a stake in this also... Where are they?  As usual they sit on their collective hands waiting for the U.S. to do "something".

[RiversideGator]

you positively called midways theory a work of fiction.

Now positively prove your argument.

This is positively nonsense.

[RiversideGator]

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-easteurope19-2008aug19,0,6812498.story

Its too bad that we are completely bogged down in the middle east with an exhausted army and untold billions of dollars missing in the Halliburton accounting machine.

We might have provided a counterbalance.

Eastern Europe gets jittery over Russia
Alik Keplicz / Associated Press
By Tracy Wilkinson, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
August 19, 2008

WARSAW -- Signing a missile-defense deal with its good friend the United States has earned Poland nothing less than the threat of nuclear attack from Russia -- a threat that might not sound so empty these days, given Moscow's bloody battle with Georgia.

That conflict has plunged Europe into crisis, sending waves of jitters through Poland and other eastern nations, once-occupied parts of a Soviet empire that some fear Russia may want to reconstruct. Moscow's actions have also succeeded in driving deeper the wedge between Europe's East and West.
"Slowly, the Iron Curtain is being rebuilt," said Jacek Palasinski, veteran foreign affairs commentator for the Polish television network TVN24. "Europe will be divided again -- the lines are different, pushed farther east, but the division is the same. And dangerous."

Ukraine and Moldova are worried that they could be Russia's next targets. The Czech Republic, on the eve of the 40th anniversary of a Soviet invasion that crushed the Prague Spring reform movement, is fretting about history repeating itself. Many Eastern European nations, Poland chief among them, are eager to find safe haven, and have turned to Washington for guidance and reassurance and partnership.

But the fact that the distracted and overly stretched Bush administration took little concrete action to protect Georgia from Russia's wrath must also give pause to nations that would throw their lot completely with the U.S. Is the strategic alliance that many Eastern European countries have been building with the U.S. since the fall of communism nearly two decades ago still worth the risks?

What sort of counterbalance should we provide that is not already provided?  Are you advocating a war with Russia? 

[tufsu1]

What sort of counterbalance should we provide that is not already provided?  Are you advocating a war with Russia? 

I'm pretty sure that's what Bush (Rove) and McCain are saying!

[RiversideGator]

What sort of counterbalance should we provide that is not already provided?  Are you advocating a war with Russia? 

I'm pretty sure that's what Bush (Rove) and McCain are saying!

Can you please provide some quotes for that.  Pardon me if I dont take your word for that.   

[Midway ®]

you positively called midways theory a work of fiction.

Now positively prove your argument.

This is positively nonsense.

Go ahead. Prove it, instead of name calling, Mr. Moderator. I'd love to hear your theory. And no Wikipedia reprints, please. Try putting the pieces together yourself, instead of endlessly reprinting other's work. Let's see some of your original thought.

[uptowngirl]

Ok.  We have confirmation that he was at the event.  This is not exactly the same thing as proving that he encouraged the Georgians to precipitate a Russian invasion of their country.  Keep blaming America first though.

BTW, wouldnt it be just as logical to assume that the Democrats are behind all of this?

key strategists of the leading U.S. political parties - Republican Mr Karl Rove and Democrat Mr Bob Shrum.

Interesting how you twist things around.  They encouraged him to go on a land grab expedition, hinting that they were right behind him. It just turned out that he was played for a fool By Rove and Scheunemann and managed to precipitate a Russian invasion of his country, much to his surprise and chagrin. And as to your allegation that I am blaming America, last i heard neither Rove nor Scheunemann hold elective or appointed positions in the government of the United States of America, so, on the contrary, i blame them as rogue agents, not the USA, so lets not have you speak for me, ok?

And no, it would not be just as logical to assume that the democrats are behind all of this, because there is no motive, and they have nothing to gain from it, so sorry, that's a non-starter as well.

Let me start with"This is a serious question", what would Rove have to gain from this? This hurtds Georgia, Russia, the USA, and Europe. What personal gain would Rove get out of these actions? Seriously I can't figure that part out....

[RiversideGator]

you positively called midways theory a work of fiction.

Now positively prove your argument.

This is positively nonsense.

Go ahead. Prove it, instead of name calling, Mr. Moderator. I'd love to hear your theory. And no Wikipedia reprints, please. Try putting the pieces together yourself, instead of endlessly reprinting other's work. Let's see some of your original thought.

Let's recap what happened.  You posted this half-baked grand conspiracy theory which posited that Rove was behind the Russia-Georgia conflict because he thought this would aid the Republicans in November.  I said that I would like to see some evidence or proof of this.  Now, you are demanding that I prove that your theory is untrue.  That is truly the most absurd request I have heard lately, midway.   

The burden of proof is on those who make wild claims, not on those who ask them to provide evidence for their wild claims.   

[Midway ®]

Don't waste my time with your nonsense. I have things to do. You should have things to do.

[Midway ®]

Ok.  We have confirmation that he was at the event.  This is not exactly the same thing as proving that he encouraged the Georgians to precipitate a Russian invasion of their country.  Keep blaming America first though.

BTW, wouldnt it be just as logical to assume that the Democrats are behind all of this?

key strategists of the leading U.S. political parties - Republican Mr Karl Rove and Democrat Mr Bob Shrum.

Interesting how you twist things around.  They encouraged him to go on a land grab expedition, hinting that they were right behind him. It just turned out that he was played for a fool By Rove and Scheunemann and managed to precipitate a Russian invasion of his country, much to his surprise and chagrin. And as to your allegation that I am blaming America, last i heard neither Rove nor Scheunemann hold elective or appointed positions in the government of the United States of America, so, on the contrary, i blame them as rogue agents, not the USA, so lets not have you speak for me, ok?

And no, it would not be just as logical to assume that the democrats are behind all of this, because there is no motive, and they have nothing to gain from it, so sorry, that's a non-starter as well.

Let me start with"This is a serious question", what would Rove have to gain from this? This hurtds Georgia, Russia, the USA, and Europe. What personal gain would Rove get out of these actions? Seriously I can't figure that part out....

Ha Ha Ha.... keep thinking!

[uptowngirl]

Ok.  We have confirmation that he was at the event.  This is not exactly the same thing as proving that he encouraged the Georgians to precipitate a Russian invasion of their country.  Keep blaming America first though.

BTW, wouldnt it be just as logical to assume that the Democrats are behind all of this?

key strategists of the leading U.S. political parties - Republican Mr Karl Rove and Democrat Mr Bob Shrum.

Interesting how you twist things around.  They encouraged him to go on a land grab expedition, hinting that they were right behind him. It just turned out that he was played for a fool By Rove and Scheunemann and managed to precipitate a Russian invasion of his country, much to his surprise and chagrin. And as to your allegation that I am blaming America, last i heard neither Rove nor Scheunemann hold elective or appointed positions in the government of the United States of America, so, on the contrary, i blame them as rogue agents, not the USA, so lets not have you speak for me, ok?

And no, it would not be just as logical to assume that the democrats are behind all of this, because there is no motive, and they have nothing to gain from it, so sorry, that's a non-starter as well.

Let me start with"This is a serious question", what would Rove have to gain from this? This hurtds Georgia, Russia, the USA, and Europe. What personal gain would Rove get out of these actions? Seriously I can't figure that part out....

Ha Ha Ha.... keep thinking!

It is worthless to have any type of discourse with you,  I think I have better things to do that even consider one of your paranoid, conspiracy theory, no proof posts, ramblings.

[tufsu1]

What sort of counterbalance should we provide that is not already provided?  Are you advocating a war with Russia? 

I'm pretty sure that's what Bush (Rove) and McCain are saying!

Can you please provide some quotes for that.  Pardon me if I dont take your word for that.   

From McCain's big speech the other day

"Russian President Medvedev and Prime Minister Putin must understand the severe, long-term negative consequences that their government’s actions will have for Russia’s relationship with the U.S. and Europe."

and just to add a bit more to the debate...check out this link...and keep in mind that McCain is "supposed to be" the foreign policy expert in the race.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/15/mccain-russia/

And fionally, there is McCain's staement about contries not invading other countries in the 21st century....uhh, Iraq?

[RiversideGator]

Don't waste my time with your nonsense. I have things to do. You should have things to do.

The nonsense was initially posted by you.  I am glad to see you are moving on though.

[BridgeTroll]

you positively called midways theory a work of fiction.

Now positively prove your argument.

This is positively nonsense.

Go ahead. Prove it, instead of name calling, Mr. Moderator. I'd love to hear your theory. And no Wikipedia reprints, please. Try putting the pieces together yourself, instead of endlessly reprinting other's work. Let's see some of your original thought.

I have already provided a rational explanation which you have managed to ignore.  Just like our local weather forcasters you choose to believe hype and irrational fear over common sense.  Your hatred of all things "Bush" clouds your judgement.

[Charleston native]

Don't waste my time with your nonsense. I have things to do. You should have things to do.

Like grilling more hamburgers...or playing with your X-Box in your Mommy's basement?