Entire Antarctic Shelf splitting away from Continent.

[Lunican]

And yet in the 1980s the same scientists said that we were having global cooling. Where is the "science" that ties it to greenhouse gases? If enough people say it then it must be true?

Here is the correlation between temp and CO2 levels from this new study.

[Midway ®]

Maybe RG will pay to have his posts erased from this thread??

Maybe a deal with "reputation.com"?

And Bill talking about the 80's?  That WAS 32 years ago, you know, don't you? There are a couple more people on earth now that are consuming more fossil fuel.

[ChriswUfGator]

And yet in the 1980s the same scientists said that we were having global cooling. Where is the "science" that ties it to greenhouse gases? If enough people say it then it must be true?

Here is the correlation between temp and CO2 levels from this new study.

Don't confuse them with the facts, Dan.

[buckethead]

Does this mean the polar icecap has previously been smaller than it is currently within recorded history/ If so, when was that?

[ronchamblin]

Although some might say this is the beginning of the end, when many millions will suffer because of global warming, some say they are alarmists who have nothing to do but point fingers at the imagined culprits who forge ahead with profit making, no matter the cost to the environmental balance.

Although I would like to believe that there is no reason for alarm, I sense otherwise, that we should be concerned.  Let nobody believe that the first sufferers of the consequences of global warming will be the very individuals who’s actions have most contributed to it; the individuals who’ve spent many millions in spreading misinformation about its causes, so that they can make billions at any cost to mankind.

If the environment develops horribly, the first to die, the first to suffer, will be as it always has been; the individuals at the bottom of the economic ladder, those who cannot afford to move to the best places for comfort and safety, who cannot afford to do whatever it takes to build fortresses against severe conditions.  If there is ever to be a place to live safely in the last decades of survival in any earth locales, it will be soon occupied by the elites who can afford to oust those who might have been there for centuries, such is the nature of survival. 

It is not the Darwinian “survival of the fittest” mechanism at work, as if the result would be a genetic shape better suited to survive in an environment, but the "survival of the richest",  those with the most power, with the most money, which of course will be those with the most entrenched mechanism and almost insane desire for accumulating it, in spite of the damage to the economy and the environment.

The tragedy of course, is that the rich and powerful, who can afford to make themselves comfortable and safe, will do so at any cost to others, even if their process of insuring comfort destroys the environments and economies necessary for the billions of others to survive.  This is the same mechanism of greed and freedom to plunder we’ve witnessed emerging in recent decades, which has allowed the rich to make millions and billions in personal fortunes, in spite of the fact that doing so destroys the economy to such a degree that the average worker cannot even have a job to survive. 

Being an atheist, I’ve thought about some of the ideas of Christianity.  I’ve thought about how many of the Republicans are thought to be associated with efforts to downplay the environmental dangers on the horizon, the threat of global warming, a position taken so that their kind can continue to accumulate wealth by any means possible.  I’ve thought about the rumor that many of the Republicans are thought to be Christians, or attempt to act as if they are Christians. 

And I’ve thought about the possible upcoming struggle for survival, and how many of the rich Republicans might do as Jesus would do, which would be to show concern for those who have nothing, or near nothing, those who will be the first to suffer; and this suffering because the rich Republicans and the like, and their moneyed Christian friends, will not only have taken everything necessary for comfort and survival for themselves, but will have to some degree destroyed the mechanisms, such as a dynamic economy and a safe environment, which would allow the masses to survive with reasonable dignity.       

[spuwho]

[Lunican]

New York Is Lagging as Seas and Risks Rise, Critics Warn

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/nyregion/new-york-faces-rising-seas-and-slow-city-action.html?pagewanted=2&pagewanted=all

Interesting comments on this NY Times article from just last month.

This isn't science. This is handwringing with an agenda to fund a group of "scientists" who would be on the sidewalk tomorrow if they didn't find some "scary" predictions to flog to the naive and ignorant.

[Ocklawaha]

Being an atheist, I've thought about some of the ideas of Christianity.  I've thought about how many of the Republicans are thought to be associated with efforts to downplay the environmental dangers on the horizon, the threat of global warming, a position taken so that their kind can continue to accumulate wealth by any means possible.  I've thought about the rumor that many of the Republicans are thought to be Christians, or attempt to act as if they are Christians. 

And I've thought about the possible upcoming struggle for survival, and how many of the rich Republicans might do as Jesus would do, which would be to show concern for those who have nothing, or near nothing, those who will be the first to suffer; and this suffering because the rich Republicans and the like, and their moneyed Christian friends, will not only have taken everything necessary for comfort and survival for themselves, but will have to some degree destroyed the mechanisms, such as a dynamic economy and a safe environment, which would allow the masses to survive with reasonable dignity.       

Leave it to my favorite atheist to blame this on "Christians." LOL 

Actually as a Christian, I've given this lots of thought too Ron. I don't understand the disconnect between many of the fundamentalist churches and the global warming science community. For the better part of 150 years these churches have taught that:

Jesus will return either before, during, or after a 7 year period known as 'The Great Tribulation'. The world will be in a shambles when it happens, more specifically HEAT, famine, and war, are all mentioned as 'end of time' phenomena.

So whats the deal with teaching this on Sunday, and denying it's happening on Monday? Seems to me if we're all headed for such a 7 year period of misery, global warming fits right in, as in, IT'S HAPPENING NOW.

I've experienced global warming on a scale I never thought possible. In the Andes during my stay in the 1980's you couldn't go outside without a sweater and long pants, but in my last visit, t-shirts and shorts were the order of the day. To see the change is scary.

[BridgeTroll]

Sunlight getting more intense?

http://www.youtube.com/v/GVR0qvYhHLE

[I-10east]

^^^Now that's what I call firewater!

[BrooklynSouth]

New York Is Lagging as Seas and Risks Rise, Critics Warn

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/nyregion/new-york-faces-rising-seas-and-slow-city-action.html?pagewanted=2&pagewanted=all

Interesting comments on this NY Times article from just last month.

This isn't science. This is handwringing with an agenda to fund a group of "scientists" who would be on the sidewalk tomorrow if they didn't find some "scary" predictions to flog to the naive and ignorant.

Yeah, "scientists" like those that work at "NASA" and send men to the "Moon" and robots to "Mars". Those guys are a total fraud, right?
http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

Or, "meteorologists" that use "sattelites" and "computers" to predict the "weather". Those guys are rip-off artists too, right?
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cmb-faq/globalwarming.html

I hope the Republicans on FOX News don't start telling you that "doctors" are just a racket and that you should switch from so-called "medicine" to eating raccoon droppings, because you'd do it.

[WmNussbaum]

We have met the enemy and he is us. So said Pogo, and, of course, he was right.

How much climate warming is attributable to the burning of fossil fuels for electricity production? How much electricity is consumed by - to pick an example you might guess I'd pick - a JUMBOTRON? Or digital billboards?

How much of our precious aquifer is being depleted for the sole purpose of keeping golf courses nice and green? Is that ungreen or what?

C'mon everyone, what other good examples can you think of?

[coredumped]

How much climate warming is attributable to the burning of fossil fuels for electricity production? How much electricity is consumed by - to pick an example you might guess I'd pick - a JUMBOTRON? Or digital billboards?

I won't comment on water since I don't know anything about that, but electricity use is DOWN in America:

Americans are buying bigger homes, using more appliances, and firing up more data centers than ever before. You'd expect electricity demand to skyrocket accordingly, but the trend is actually the opposite. Total electricity use in the US has actually declined in the past four out of five years, according to a new government study, and many analysts expect that to continue.

Electricity use was growing around 10 percent per year in the 1950s, but slowed to about 1 percent in recent years and was down almost 2 percent in 2012. There are a number of reasons why, but the change is largely due to gains in energy efficiency: new homes, office buildings, and electrical devices are more efficient than ever, especially now that new lighting standards are being phased in.

Changing consumer behavior also played a big part. In 2012, 83 percent of customers said they took step to reduce their electricity consumption, according to market research by Deloitte, up from 68 percent in 2011. At the same time, people are installing more home solar panels, although the exact rate of growth is hard to measure.

Much more from the source:
http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/30/5248790/americans-are-buying-less-electricity

[Know Growth]

@ 1100 (+) comments,tribute to time and Justice,here is something 'tidal':


Just West of The Core,West on I-10 to US 301 South and angling from the west a ways, lies the Continental Divide, the "Spine" of the 'Trail Ridge'. "Ancient" sandbar. Most to the east was under water.

***Cycle****.

Once again,ocean waves will occur near the current location of my camp, surf sounds within earshot there on The Crest west of  present day 301 (gosh,so far from present day Talbot,Jax beaches...)- at 97 Feet Above Sea Level at some point- in a short period of time,relatively.

If humans within our period have somehow spiked or altered the cycle to the point we have harmed our own interests,if we have missed The Lesson,if we have circumvented Justice,then so be it- a certain "Justice" will prevail. Even the Shoppes of Avondale will see profound Transformation.

Happy New Year(s)

[Lunican]

More damning evidence that humans do not and cannot control the weather or the planet, as much as these hoaxers "deny" the obvious.

Maybe not 'control' but definitely affect.



Asian Air Pollution Affecting World's Weather

Extreme air pollution in Asia is affecting the world's weather and climate patterns, according to a study by Texas A&M University and NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory researchers.

http://tamutimes.tamu.edu/2014/01/21/asian-air-pollution-affecting-worlds-weather/