Richard Clark's Idea to fund Everbank Scoreboard and other expenses.

[copperfiend]

This tidbit made me chuckle

Mayor Alvin Brown did not include funding for any of the EverBank improvements in his budget.

and this even after the Jag's flew him to Miami on their private jet. 

When was this?

[duvaldude08]

Could someone please explain why capital improvements to a City owned facility shouldn't be paid for through the Capital Improvements Plan.

Yes. It's absolutely not a real priority compared to other needed capital improvements around the city.

that doesn't really answer the question....I asked why an expenditure like this shouldn't be funded as a CIP project.

and yes, I agree that we have more pressing needs...but this is kind of the trend in sports today...and just about every team/owner holds its City hostage.

You are so right, and compared to other owners, Khan is being very generous. The Panthers owners flat out told the city and the state of Carolina they need over 100 million in renovations to Bank of America Field, THAT IS OWNED BY THE TEAM, and that the team was not paying for squat.

[goldy21]

Has anyone performed an analysis of how much additional advertising revenue can be generated by the scoreboards and whether the city will get a cut of that money to defray some of the capital improvement costs?  Those boards are going to be absolutely massive and state-of-the-art, which will allow the team do create a lot more high-impact advertisements. 

[Cheshire Cat]

This tidbit made me chuckle

Mayor Alvin Brown did not include funding for any of the EverBank improvements in his budget.

and this even after the Jag's flew him to Miami on their private jet. 

When was this?

It was part of a TU report when they were discussing how Brown and his administration do so much dealing out of the sunshine.  Can't remember when the flight took place.  You may be able to find the article in the newspaper's online archives.

[Cheshire Cat]

I wish everyone would stop referring to the scoreboards when they talk about the project and like Khan is pimping the city. The team is actually footing almost all of the bill for the scoreboards. The city is required to contribute 6.5 million to the scoreboards. The remainder of the other 43 million is for the party deck etc etc. The city knew what they signed up for when getting an NFL. Khan has done more of his fair share since purchasing the team. I think we can at least meet him half way. And while we are on the subject of what should be priority in regard to capital improvement projects, does anyone have any insight? Probably not because we are not part of the city council.

Did you read exactly what I said in my original post?  Did you see that I acknowledged the Jags are a good thing for Jacksonville and the fact that Khan's buying the team is also a good thing? Did you notice that I also said that I "get the other funding sources" you are alluding to for the stadium?  Did you understand that my commentary was about "Richard Clarks" use of legislation in a way that was very smooth in order to accomplish something "he" wanted done?  The commentary is not anti Jags, anti Khan and certainly did not allude to him pimping Jax in any way. Come on now.  It was about how legislation is manipulated and sold and about priorities when it comes to our Capital Improvement Funds. 

Jeeze, it would be so nice if people read what was written in a less defensive mode and then digested it.  This is "not" about the value of the Jags or football. Relax!  lmao  (notice the smileys, not angry just bemused)

[Shwaz]

I wish everyone would stop referring to the scoreboards when they talk about the project and like Khan is pimping the city. The team is actually footing almost all of the bill for the scoreboards. The city is required to contribute 6.5 million to the scoreboards. The remainder of the other 43 million is for the party deck etc etc. The city knew what they signed up for when getting an NFL. Khan has done more of his fair share since purchasing the team. I think we can at least meet him half way.

Did you read exactly what I said in my original post?  Did you see that I acknowledged the Jags are a good thing for Jacksonville and the fact that Khan's buying the team is also a good thing? Did you notice that I also said that I get the other funding sources for the stadium previous discussed.  Did you see that my commentary was about "Richard Clarks" used of legislation in a way that was very smooth in order to accomplish something "he" wanted done?  The commentary is not anti Jags, anti Khan and certainly did not even allude to him pimping Jax in any way.  It was about how legislation is manipulated and sold and about priorities when it comes to our Capital Improvement Funds. 

Jeeze, it would be so nice if people read what was written in a less defensive mode.  This is "not" about the value of the Jags. Relax!  lmao 

And while we are on the subject of what should be priority in regard to capital improvement projects, does anyone have any insight? Probably not because we are not part of the city council.

I wish people would look at the bigger picture and what an updated stadium presents in the way of opportunity for huge national events.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9511533/at-least-7-cities-bid-2016-2017-title-games-sources

More bids on future title game sites
Updated: July 26, 2013, 2:03 PM ET
By Brett McMurphy | ESPN
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College football's commissioners will have a lot more choices when deciding where to hold the 2016 and 2017 College Football Playoff championships.

At least seven cities already have decided to bid on the next two championships, sources told ESPN.

Only Arlington, Texas, and Tampa, Fla., bid on the inaugural championship. It was awarded to AT&T Stadium in Arlington and will be held Jan. 12, 2015. It was commonly known the Football Bowl Subdivision commissioners favored AT&T Stadium for the first game, which reduced the number of bidders.

That won't be the case for the next two national title games. There will be a lot more competition for the games on Jan. 11, 2016, and Jan. 9, 2017.

Cities that definitely will bid for the Jan. 11, 2016, game: Glendale, Ariz.; Jacksonville, Fla.; New Orleans; San Antonio; and Tampa.

Cities that will bid for the Jan. 9, 2017, game: Arlington; Jacksonville; Miami; New Orleans; San Antonio; and Tampa.

Cities that host the semifinals are not eligible to host the national title game in the same year. So Miami (Orange Bowl) and Arlington (Cotton Bowl) cannot bid for the 2016 national title game, and Glendale (Fiesta Bowl) and Atlanta (Chick-fil-A Bowl) cannot bid for the 2017 national title game.

Atlanta hasn't decided if it will bid on the 2016 game but is expected to be a strong contender for the 2018 game -- the first year its new stadium will be open.

Scott Jenkins, of the Rose Bowl, said it hasn't decided if it will bid on the 2016 or 2017 game. Florida Citrus Sports CEO Steve Hogan said Orlando, Fla., will not bid on either game but expects to bid on national title games after 2018.

Houston, Nashville, Tenn., San Francisco, San Diego and Washington, D.C., are other cities that have shown interest in pursuing future College Football Playoff championship games.

New York Yankees officials have said they were interested in Yankee Stadium hosting a championship game, but the stadium does not met the minimum seating requirement.

Requests for proposals for the 2016 and 2017 College Football Playoff games are expected to be sent out in the coming weeks.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=321563

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- In the fight to bring more football to Jacksonville, the city's Sports and Entertainment Office tells First Coast News they are making a bid for the College Football Playoff Championships.

It's the ultimate job for the ultimate football fan.

"I've been to Lambeau [Field], Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Miami, Tampa, San Diego," said Jeff Fingland, a Jaguars fan.

For Jeff Fingland, a Jaguars junkie turned Sports Mania manager, the city's bid for the college championships is a win-win and could turn the city into a destination for sports fans.

"They're going to look at NFL schedule, bowl schedule and all these other things, get in a couple of rounds of golf, the weather's always great see this phenomenal new scoreboard and the party deck. It really puts us on the maps as some place to go," Fingland said.

When it comes to supporting your favorite team or favorite sport, football fans are dedicated down to their last dollar.

The city of Jacksonville's Sports and Entertainment Office estimates a college game could bring in $125 million to $150 million dollars, five times the amount from the Florida-Georgia game.

Plus, because the featured teams would be from outside the area, potential visitors would be spending money on food and lodging.

"I'd be all for it, love college, love the pros, I think it's one more event I would spend some money on," said David Allen, a Jaguars fan.

It would also show the Bowl Championship Series, the system that creates the college bowl match-ups, that Jacksonville is a football destination.

[Cheshire Cat]

Jay Bird

In my opinion the scoreboards are only being put out there to distract attention from the rest of the budget. I am sure that one could find several "questionable pet projects" in the budget if they looked instead of just taking in the media fodder.

Pet project?  The expenditure of over $50,000,000.00 and discussion of using capital improvements funds to improve the stadium is a pet project?  Clearly you have not been paying attention.  This is not a case of media fodder or an attempt by anyone at the city to refocus attention away from other serious budget problems.  This is a real issue and one that has the support of the Mayor and several city council meetings. 

I agree with the bulk of your post, but you opening opinion is just way off the mark. 

[Cheshire Cat]

I wish everyone would stop referring to the scoreboards when they talk about the project and like Khan is pimping the city. The team is actually footing almost all of the bill for the scoreboards. The city is required to contribute 6.5 million to the scoreboards. The remainder of the other 43 million is for the party deck etc etc. The city knew what they signed up for when getting an NFL. Khan has done more of his fair share since purchasing the team. I think we can at least meet him half way.

Did you read exactly what I said in my original post?  Did you see that I acknowledged the Jags are a good thing for Jacksonville and the fact that Khan's buying the team is also a good thing? Did you notice that I also said that I get the other funding sources for the stadium previous discussed.  Did you see that my commentary was about "Richard Clarks" used of legislation in a way that was very smooth in order to accomplish something "he" wanted done?  The commentary is not anti Jags, anti Khan and certainly did not even allude to him pimping Jax in any way.  It was about how legislation is manipulated and sold and about priorities when it comes to our Capital Improvement Funds. 

Jeeze, it would be so nice if people read what was written in a less defensive mode.  This is "not" about the value of the Jags. Relax!  lmao 

And while we are on the subject of what should be priority in regard to capital improvement projects, does anyone have any insight? Probably not because we are not part of the city council.

I wish people would look at the bigger picture and what an updated stadium presents in the way of opportunity for huge national events.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9511533/at-least-7-cities-bid-2016-2017-title-games-sources

More bids on future title game sites
Updated: July 26, 2013, 2:03 PM ET
By Brett McMurphy | ESPN
217
42
86
EMAIL
PRINT
College football's commissioners will have a lot more choices when deciding where to hold the 2016 and 2017 College Football Playoff championships.

At least seven cities already have decided to bid on the next two championships, sources told ESPN.

Only Arlington, Texas, and Tampa, Fla., bid on the inaugural championship. It was awarded to AT&T Stadium in Arlington and will be held Jan. 12, 2015. It was commonly known the Football Bowl Subdivision commissioners favored AT&T Stadium for the first game, which reduced the number of bidders.

That won't be the case for the next two national title games. There will be a lot more competition for the games on Jan. 11, 2016, and Jan. 9, 2017.

Cities that definitely will bid for the Jan. 11, 2016, game: Glendale, Ariz.; Jacksonville, Fla.; New Orleans; San Antonio; and Tampa.

Cities that will bid for the Jan. 9, 2017, game: Arlington; Jacksonville; Miami; New Orleans; San Antonio; and Tampa.

Cities that host the semifinals are not eligible to host the national title game in the same year. So Miami (Orange Bowl) and Arlington (Cotton Bowl) cannot bid for the 2016 national title game, and Glendale (Fiesta Bowl) and Atlanta (Chick-fil-A Bowl) cannot bid for the 2017 national title game.

Atlanta hasn't decided if it will bid on the 2016 game but is expected to be a strong contender for the 2018 game -- the first year its new stadium will be open.

Scott Jenkins, of the Rose Bowl, said it hasn't decided if it will bid on the 2016 or 2017 game. Florida Citrus Sports CEO Steve Hogan said Orlando, Fla., will not bid on either game but expects to bid on national title games after 2018.

Houston, Nashville, Tenn., San Francisco, San Diego and Washington, D.C., are other cities that have shown interest in pursuing future College Football Playoff championship games.

New York Yankees officials have said they were interested in Yankee Stadium hosting a championship game, but the stadium does not met the minimum seating requirement.

Requests for proposals for the 2016 and 2017 College Football Playoff games are expected to be sent out in the coming weeks.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=321563

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- In the fight to bring more football to Jacksonville, the city's Sports and Entertainment Office tells First Coast News they are making a bid for the College Football Playoff Championships.

It's the ultimate job for the ultimate football fan.

"I've been to Lambeau [Field], Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Miami, Tampa, San Diego," said Jeff Fingland, a Jaguars fan.

For Jeff Fingland, a Jaguars junkie turned Sports Mania manager, the city's bid for the college championships is a win-win and could turn the city into a destination for sports fans.

"They're going to look at NFL schedule, bowl schedule and all these other things, get in a couple of rounds of golf, the weather's always great see this phenomenal new scoreboard and the party deck. It really puts us on the maps as some place to go," Fingland said.

When it comes to supporting your favorite team or favorite sport, football fans are dedicated down to their last dollar.

The city of Jacksonville's Sports and Entertainment Office estimates a college game could bring in $125 million to $150 million dollars, five times the amount from the Florida-Georgia game.

Plus, because the featured teams would be from outside the area, potential visitors would be spending money on food and lodging.

"I'd be all for it, love college, love the pros, I think it's one more event I would spend some money on," said David Allen, a Jaguars fan.

It would also show the Bowl Championship Series, the system that creates the college bowl match-ups, that Jacksonville is a football destination.

Again guys, this is not about the worth of the stadium or improvements there.  This is about our capital funding, legislation manipulation and priorities.  Come on now.  Please pay attention to the focus of the conversation, which is "not" about the value of the stadium or improving it.  lol

[Cheshire Cat]

Lord have mercy, I wish we had this much passionate defense of the libraries, JSO funding and the like.  lol 

[Shwaz]

Lord have mercy, I wish we had this much passionate defense of the libraries, JSO funding and the like.  lol 

Still missing the point, huh?

Is Jacksonville shutting down all of it's libraries? How many are actually locking up? How many are left? How much in late return fee's would it take to cover the FDR pensions and fix all those pesky pot holes?

Some folks just can't buy a clue lol

[JayBird]

Lord have mercy, I wish we had this much passionate defense of the libraries, JSO funding and the like.  lol 

Actually if you look at those threads, we did.

[Cheshire Cat]

Lord have mercy, I wish we had this much passionate defense of the libraries, JSO funding and the like.  lol 

Still missing the point, huh?

Is Jacksonville shutting down all of it's libraries? How many are actually locking up? How many are left? How much in late return fee's would it take to cover the FDR pensions and fix all those pesky pot holes?

Some folks just can't buy a clue lol

Because the pensions are funded by the libraries?

That must be it!  lol

[JayBird]

Jay Bird

In my opinion the scoreboards are only being put out there to distract attention from the rest of the budget. I am sure that one could find several "questionable pet projects" in the budget if they looked instead of just taking in the media fodder.

Pet project?  The expenditure of over $50,000,000.00 and discussion of using capital improvements funds to improve the stadium is a pet project?  Clearly you have not been paying attention.  This is not a case of media fodder or an attempt by anyone at the city to refocus attention away from other serious budget problems.  This is a real issue and one that has the support of the Mayor and several city council meetings. 

I agree with the bulk of your post, but you opening opinion is just way off the mark. 

I may have missed the mark on my opening, I was simply stating that anytime the budget comes up in any conversation, the scoreboards have to be included. And mostly because it was people have heard or read elsewhere, not from anything they actually read or researched. I don't think the scoreboards are a pet project (I do think stadium pools would be though) but there are some pet projects in the mayors proposal (do they really need new furniture again? And can't it be found cheaper than $300k?) which I feel should be looked at further and questioned about whether they should get those funds or if they would be better used in our public safety, parks or social services funds.

[Cheshire Cat]

Lord have mercy, I wish we had this much passionate defense of the libraries, JSO funding and the like.  lol 

Actually if you look at those threads, we did.

Come on Jay Bird, did you really miss that I was messing wif the football lovers on the thread in a manner meant as friendly even with the smiley and lol?  Of course there was and is plenty of upset over the libraries.    There should be more though over the Pensions and properly funding the JSO, but that of course is another issue.

[Shwaz]

I wish everyone would stop referring to the scoreboards when they talk about the project and like Khan is pimping the city. The team is actually footing almost all of the bill for the scoreboards. The city is required to contribute 6.5 million to the scoreboards. The remainder of the other 43 million is for the party deck etc etc. The city knew what they signed up for when getting an NFL. Khan has done more of his fair share since purchasing the team. I think we can at least meet him half way. And while we are on the subject of what should be priority in regard to capital improvement projects, does anyone have any insight? Probably not because we are not part of the city council.

Did you read exactly what I said in my original post?  Did you see that I acknowledged the Jags are a good thing for Jacksonville and the fact that Khan's buying the team is also a good thing? Did you notice that I also said that I "get the other funding sources" you are alluding to for the stadium?  Did you understand that my commentary was about "Richard Clarks" use of legislation in a way that was very smooth in order to accomplish something "he" wanted done?  The commentary is not anti Jags, anti Khan and certainly did not allude to him pimping Jax in any way. Come on now.  It was about how legislation is manipulated and sold and about priorities when it comes to our Capital Improvement Funds. 

Jeeze, it would be so nice if people read what was written in a less defensive mode and then digested it.  This is "not" about the value of the Jags or football. Relax!  lmao  (notice the smileys, not angry just bemused)

By the way didn't we just close some libraries cause we can't afford them?  Are we not talking about cuts to the JSO?

From your original post... what does this have to do with Capital Improvements

http://www.coj.net/my-jax-budget/city-budget/capital-improvement-plan.aspx

You've steered this conversation off course from your so-called point from the get-go. Are you trying to goad a discussion about slick politics or whether the Capital Projects budget should be funneled into pensions and libraries?