New Battle for a Human Rights Ordinance in Jacksonville

Started by Metro Jacksonville, August 06, 2013, 05:06:37 PM

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fsquid

#31
August 22, 2013, 03:36:04 PM
Quote from: stephendare on August 22, 2013, 01:50:16 PM
Quote from: Stephen on August 22, 2013, 01:49:03 PM
Maybe what needs to happen is for First Baptist to stop thinking it can dictate policy to the City. Separation of Church and State is a very good thing

Maybe what needs to happen is that we need to stop electing people who don't know the difference?

bingo

JayBird

#32
August 22, 2013, 04:18:16 PM
Quote from: stephendare on August 22, 2013, 01:50:16 PM
Quote from: Stephen on August 22, 2013, 01:49:03 PM
Maybe what needs to happen is for First Baptist to stop thinking it can dictate policy to the City. Separation of Church and State is a very good thing

Maybe what needs to happen is that we need to stop electing people who don't know the difference?

Can we get this in tee shirts and bumper stickers, this can be a slogan for change in Jax because even though it is so simple a caveman could do it, it seems to be Jax's downfall time after time.
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vicupstate

#33
March 03, 2015, 05:15:26 AM
Charlotte defeats HRO ordinance 6-5.

Some supporters voted no because the ordinance had been changed at the meeting to eliminate a provision related to transgender use of public restroom facilities.   

Among America's 20 biggest cities, only three – Charlotte, Memphis, Tenn., and Jacksonville, Fla. – are without the kind of nondiscrimination ordinance that came before the Charlotte City Council on Monday.

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article11908907.html#storylink=cpy
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Jimmy

#34
March 03, 2015, 08:41:21 AM
I guess this should make me feel better.  But it really doesn't.  Just bad for Charlotte, too.

fsquid

#35
March 03, 2015, 09:59:42 AM
QuoteThe debate took unusual turns at times. One man told City Council that he believes all bathrooms should be private, because it is difficult for him to urinate in public because of "shy bladder syndrome." Another sang a song about how roosters and stallions can't reproduce without hens and mares.

"Come on down to the farmyard!" Steve Triplett sang. He offered council his CD afterward.

Tacachale

#36
March 03, 2015, 10:47:16 AM
Justice delayed is justice denied.

That said, opposing the bill because it removed the trans protections was a bad move. That language could have been added in later. When everyone's drowning already, you save as many as you can.
Do you believe that when the blue jay or another bird sings and the body is trembling, that is a signal that people are coming or something important is about to happen?

Jimmy

#37
March 03, 2015, 12:20:50 PM
While I understand the pragmatism embodied in the sentiment above, I don't agree with it as a useful strategy for Charlotte or Jacksonville. What we saw here three years ago was the removal of transgender protections as a wedge that divided not only the LGBT community but also the more mainstream proponents.

Even in the city is progressive is Miami, which passed its first human rights ordinance on the basis of sexual orientation in 1991, it was just last year that they were finally able to include gender identity in the ordinance. And in my experience, it's trans people who are most often, and most recently, affected by this discrimination. Personally, I could never support but human rights amendment that left them behind.

Tacachale

#38
March 03, 2015, 01:01:28 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on March 03, 2015, 12:20:50 PM
While I understand the pragmatism embodied in the sentiment above, I don't agree with it as a useful strategy for Charlotte or Jacksonville. What we saw here three years ago was the removal of transgender protections as a wedge that divided not only the LGBT community but also the more mainstream proponents.

Even in the city is progressive is Miami, which passed its first human rights ordinance on the basis of sexual orientation in 1991, it was just last year that they were finally able to include gender identity in the ordinance. And in my experience, it's trans people who are most often, and most recently, affected by this discrimination. Personally, I could never support but human rights amendment that left them behind.

I can understand that in theory, but holding out for a perfect bill means no one gets protected at all, as just happened in Charlotte.
Do you believe that when the blue jay or another bird sings and the body is trembling, that is a signal that people are coming or something important is about to happen?

I-10east

#39
March 03, 2015, 02:04:40 PM Last Edit: March 03, 2015, 02:08:19 PM by I-10east
IMO those Charlotte LGBT supporters should've voted for the 'weaken' ordinance, and I'm going to tell you why. Taking that half-a-step forward still would've been huge for LGBT homeowners etc. Taking half a step forward is better than taking no steps at all. This is the world of politics; President Obama had to compromise with Republicans concerning countless issues. Sometimes that "we are all in this together, heels dug in the ground" spirit ultimately can be detrimental for causes. 

Charles Hunter

#40
March 03, 2015, 05:59:48 PM
Quote from: I-10east on March 03, 2015, 02:04:40 PM
IMO those Charlotte LGBT supporters should've voted for the 'weaken' ordinance, and I'm going to tell you why. Taking that half-a-step forward still would've been huge for LGBT homeowners etc. Taking half a step forward is better than taking no steps at all. This is the world of politics; President Obama had to compromise with Republicans concerning countless issues. Sometimes that "we are all in this together, heels dug in the ground" spirit ultimately can be detrimental for causes. 

Well, it would help LGB people, but not the T. 

I-10east

#41
March 03, 2015, 06:40:30 PM
^^^That could've been passed later on (like Miami) versus starting all the way over from scratch. How likely are these public bathroom disagreements over one's sexual status? I'm willing to bet very scarce to nil. Moreso than ditching the transgender community, the LGBT supporters voted down over some highly unlikely disagreement scenario over who's going to a public restroom. 

Tacachale

#43
March 03, 2015, 09:18:49 PM
Quote from: I-10east on March 03, 2015, 06:40:30 PM
^^^That could've been passed later on (like Miami) versus starting all the way over from scratch. How likely are these public bathroom disagreements over one's sexual status? I'm willing to bet very scarce to nil. Moreso than ditching the transgender community, the LGBT supporters voted down over some highly unlikely disagreement scenario over who's going to a public restroom.

Discrimination against trans people is alive and well. That's not the issue. The issue is that there could have been a bill that protected LGB while leaving out the T, and supporters held out for a full bill. Hopefully one day it will pass and there'll be protections for everyone, but in the meantime, everyone's left out to drown in Charlotte. Similar to Jacksonville.

Quote from: Jimmy on March 03, 2015, 08:29:41 PM
Timely editorial by the Times-Union.

http://jacksonville.com/opinion/editorials/2015-03-03/story/its-myth-claim-jacksonvilles-lgbt-residents-arent-experiencing

Nice article.
Do you believe that when the blue jay or another bird sings and the body is trembling, that is a signal that people are coming or something important is about to happen?

I-10east

#44
March 04, 2015, 04:31:12 AM
^^^Yall didn't answer any of the issues the I brought up as to why Charlotte turned down the meat of a LGBT bill over (IMO) some bathroom nonsense. Sidetracking with some general LGBT related talking points about overall discrimination (in Jax BTW) isn't the issue here. Maybe it's time to stop calling Charlotte 'progressive; Yeah, it has a nice uptown, but no HRO to speak of. Make no mistake, there's no 'similar' in it, Charlotte is just like Jacksonville in regards to HRO status.

When I first came to MJ, I had no opinions in regards to LGBT rights. Over the years being on MJ, helped me understand why it's necessary for the LGBT community to get their rights. If Jax had a chance to pass the meat of a HRO, and some 'supporters' turned it down over some nonsense, I would've been PO'd at them. The Charlotte issue at hand specifically is an unlikely TS bathroom scenario, NOT discriminating the transgender community in every aspect like what's being portrayed.



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