Stop The Billboard Scam!

[GatorNation]

Hmmm ... thought I had ... I'm sure I "thought" it ...
They would be legal in a  Commercial Neighborhood zoning, which would be, by definition I think, near a neighborhood.  As evidenced by how hard they fought for the digital billboards a couple years ago, the industry wants the new tech - they can sell  the same space  (whatever 24 hours divided by 8 seconds comes to) many times.  Now, without looking at detailed zoning maps, I can't say how prevalent this zoning combination is - but would expect there are a goodly number of these locations in the county along roads with sufficient traffic to justify such a sign.

The example that Mr. Arpin used was the Miramar shopping center, where San Jose and Hendrick meet.  The center is zoned CCG and is a triangle more than 600' from the point to the homes north of the center.  A digital board could go near the point at the south end of the property, and be right across both San Jose and Hendricks from several single family homes.  It doesn't matter how close residences are if they are across the street from the sign.  Guessing the traffic along there would justify a digital sign.  If I had more time, I am sure I could find some good CN or CO examples.

Isn't the Miramar shopping center surrounded by residential zoning? If so, how could a billboard be placed there if the legislation doesn't allow any within 200 feet of a residential zoning district?

[Gators312]

Instead of billboards near houses look at it as houses near billboards...

http://inhabitat.com/billboard-house-sign-painters-temporary-prefab-home-doubles-as-a-rooftop-advert-in-mexico-city/billboard-house-julio-gomez-trevilla/?extend=1


Would love to know how to embed photos...someone pm me.

[Charles Hunter]

Hmmm ... thought I had ... I'm sure I "thought" it ...
They would be legal in a  Commercial Neighborhood zoning, which would be, by definition I think, near a neighborhood.  As evidenced by how hard they fought for the digital billboards a couple years ago, the industry wants the new tech - they can sell  the same space  (whatever 24 hours divided by 8 seconds comes to) many times.  Now, without looking at detailed zoning maps, I can't say how prevalent this zoning combination is - but would expect there are a goodly number of these locations in the county along roads with sufficient traffic to justify such a sign.

The example that Mr. Arpin used was the Miramar shopping center, where San Jose and Hendrick meet.  The center is zoned CCG and is a triangle more than 600' from the point to the homes north of the center.  A digital board could go near the point at the south end of the property, and be right across both San Jose and Hendricks from several single family homes.  It doesn't matter how close residences are if they are across the street from the sign.  Guessing the traffic along there would justify a digital sign.  If I had more time, I am sure I could find some good CN or CO examples.

Isn't the Miramar shopping center surrounded by residential zoning? If so, how could a billboard be placed there if the legislation doesn't allow any within 200 feet of a residential zoning district?

From the proposed ordinance:

(g) Separation from residential districts. Any replacement off-site commercial sign allowed by this section shall be set back at least 200 linear feet from any residential zoning district along the same side of the roadway.

The houses on the same side of the roadway of the Miramar shopping center are 'behind' the stores, and the property is more than 600 feet deep, from the point to the back of the stores.  The residential zoning "surrounding" the shopping center is across the street - either San Jose or Hendricks - thus, the "same side of the roadway" language wouldn't apply (at least to my non-lawyer mind).

[GatorNation]

Hmmm ... thought I had ... I'm sure I "thought" it ...
They would be legal in a  Commercial Neighborhood zoning, which would be, by definition I think, near a neighborhood.  As evidenced by how hard they fought for the digital billboards a couple years ago, the industry wants the new tech - they can sell  the same space  (whatever 24 hours divided by 8 seconds comes to) many times.  Now, without looking at detailed zoning maps, I can't say how prevalent this zoning combination is - but would expect there are a goodly number of these locations in the county along roads with sufficient traffic to justify such a sign.

The example that Mr. Arpin used was the Miramar shopping center, where San Jose and Hendrick meet.  The center is zoned CCG and is a triangle more than 600' from the point to the homes north of the center.  A digital board could go near the point at the south end of the property, and be right across both San Jose and Hendricks from several single family homes.  It doesn't matter how close residences are if they are across the street from the sign.  Guessing the traffic along there would justify a digital sign.  If I had more time, I am sure I could find some good CN or CO examples.

Isn't the Miramar shopping center surrounded by residential zoning? If so, how could a billboard be placed there if the legislation doesn't allow any within 200 feet of a residential zoning district?

From the proposed ordinance:

(g) Separation from residential districts. Any replacement off-site commercial sign allowed by this section shall be set back at least 200 linear feet from any residential zoning district along the same side of the roadway.

The houses on the same side of the roadway of the Miramar shopping center are 'behind' the stores, and the property is more than 600 feet deep, from the point to the back of the stores.  The residential zoning "surrounding" the shopping center is across the street - either San Jose or Hendricks - thus, the "same side of the roadway" language wouldn't apply (at least to my non-lawyer mind).

I guess it depends on how you interpret that language.  One could also argue that the shopping center and houses across the street (by the river) are both west of Hendricks, and therefore on the same side of that roadway.  Either way, you make a good point . . . the language should be revised to make it clear that no billboards can be placed within a certain distance of someone's home.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

Instead of billboards near houses look at it as houses near billboards...

http://inhabitat.com/billboard-house-sign-painters-temporary-prefab-home-doubles-as-a-rooftop-advert-in-mexico-city/billboard-house-julio-gomez-trevilla/?extend=1


Would love to know how to embed photos...someone pm me.

[Dog Walker]

https://www.facebook.com/scenicadvocatesjax

[Dog Walker]

Yes,

Here's another leading figure in Jacksonville who was involved in the 1987 Citizens Charter Amendment.

To each of you of the City Council:

                In the late 80‘s I was part of the JCCI study of visual pollution of the City of Jacksonville. I am proud to say that Jacksonville has been my home since 1946, and I feel the quality of life we enjoy is due in part to the natural beauty of the area.   I am a retired Air Force officer, a successful business man, and the Founder and Chairman of The Amelia Island Concours d’Elegance.   To re-address what the people of Jacksonville endorsed overwhelmingly in 1987 is ridiculous and un-needed.  I travel a great deal and visit cities which many of you may think of as inferior to our  beautiful home of Jacksonville, but many of these cities have aggressively addressed the demands of the outdoor advertisers and have maintained the integrity of their community by controlling the signage that lines their thorough fares.   I am sure many of you do not remember the fraud and criminal acts that saw one councilman do jail time as a result of bribes taken  back in the 80’s.  Many of you may not be aware that the culprits at that time were Billy Bob Morris (owner of the TU) and the Naegle Sign Company (conveniently owned by Billy Bob).  Public hearings were crammed with Naegele employees in a move to prevent the people of Jacksonville from being heard.  The overt moves by Naegele and other outdoor advertisers were enough to move the public as never before resulting in the Charter Amendment.  I am writing to advise each and every one of you that I will fight the latest proposal with every ounce of strength I can muster.   I feel it is only fair to advise you that once a year I do purchase billboard space to promote The Amelia Island Concours d’Elegance, but I feel so strongly about this, that I will eliminate that expense for more appropriate promotion of the event.   Unfortunately, politics are ugly.  Don’t make it any uglier.  Should any or all of you wish to reach me, my numbers are below:



Bill Warner

Founder & Chairman of The Amelia Island Concours d’Elegance

Office: 636-####

Home: 733-####

Cell: 631-####

Morris's tactics were benign and childish compared to what Clear Channel and CBS are doing around here and across the country.

[Dog Walker]

Mr. Warner said in his letter that he will never use a billboard to advertise for the Concourse again.

[HisBuffPVB]

It is very interesting to read these posted notes. So much rhetoric and so little action. If you want to change something one way or another, you have to get personally and deeply involved, instead of doing what Mr. Dare describes as "Whacka mole", which is touching on an issue and moving on. To become a change agent, you have to get get involved and work toward a leadership position. I enjoy these discussions but wonder how much change is impacted? Maybe there has been a lot with which I am not familiar. Hans and Jake, surrounded themselves with change agents. Ed and John did also.  Not sure John II or Alvin did. Oh well, worst case thanks to term limits is only at worst, eight years in a wrong direction, however, even those Mayors who have not been considered our best made some good decisions, back to Haydon, who cleaned up Bay Street. Tommy, who got rid of tolls(though there continues to be strong opposition to no tolls). However, knowing what this city faces, recent polls, though not scientific, indicate a public reluctance to raise taxes to pay for services. When Cornwallis had to surrender at Yorktown, his band marched out playing "The World turned upside down", not sure this should not become the theme song of Jacksonville in the 21st century.

[m74reeves]

There is an on air discussion about this legislation right now on WJCT

[Charles Hunter]

Richard Clark and Tracey Arpin are scheduled to be at Arlington CPAC tonight. Meeting starts at 6:30 in the JAA building at Craig Airport.

[thelakelander]

Presentations will be given by both sides at the Greater Arlington Beaches CPAC meeting tonight:

Greater Arlington Beaches District

Citizens Planning Advisory Committee

MEETING NOTICE AND AGENDA

1. Call to Order/Verify Quorum

2. Approval of the Previous Meeting Summary

3. Staff Reports

• JSO (Jacksonville Sheriff's Office)

• Mayor's Liaison

• Duval County Public Schools 

• FDOT (Florida Department of Transportation)

• Neighborhoods

• Planning & Development

• Recreation & Parks

4. Presentation: (5 minute time limit each)

• Councilman Richard Clark ~ Ordinance 2013-493

• Tracy Arpen, Scenic Advocates of Jacksonville

• Clear Channel Outdoor Representative

• Councilman Don Redman ~ 2013-0415

• Lauren Trad, Hens In Jax

• Barbara Leis, Concerns Citizens Against 2013-0415

• Dane Connell, District Manager, WastePro

5. Chair's Report

6. Elected Officials Reports

7. Subcommittee/Liaison Reports

• LUZ (Land Use and Zoning)/Governmental Affairs

• Beautification/Parks/Environment

• Membership

• Transportation

Ad-Hoc:

• Environment

• Craig Airport

• TRUE (Taxation, Revenue, and Utilization of Expenditures)Commission

8. Unfinished Business

9. New Business

10. Public Comments/Announcements (3-minute time limit)

11. Motion to Adjourn

o Housing and Community Development Division

o Municipal Code Compliance Division

Date: August 12, 2013

Time: 6:30 p.m.

Location: Jacksonville Executive at Craig Airport

855-1 St. Johns Bluff Road North, Jacksonville, FL 32225

[Debbie Thompson]

Late to the thread, but I too was here in 1987.  And for 20 years before that.  The billboards used to be everywhere and were, shall we say, less than properly maintained in many cases?  Some companies maintained their signs properly, but not all of them. 

Digital billboards, bright and changing every few seconds, are extremely distracting, and the last thing we need is more distracted driving.   In fact, anything that entices a driver to take their eyes off the road should not be encouraged.

My two cents.  Advertising on the internet, smart phones, TV, newspapers, magazines, etc. is one thing.  One is sittling still.  Distracting drivers barreling along at 70 mph in a two ton car...well, that's a whole different story.

[If_I_Loved_you]

Geomarketing: 'Minority Report' Style Advertising

http://youtu.be/4bs9cAeOqZY


The Billboards need to go with all the new Advertising here today and coming in the near future. These Billboard companies that feel they are getting the short end of the stick? So Be It!

[Charles Hunter]

The Arlington-Beaches CPAC voted to oppose the proposed billboard ordinance.  Speaking in favor was Councilman Richard Clark; speaking against was Tracey Arpin.  Vote was unanimous.