Zimmerman Found Not Guilty

[ronchamblin]

Can we somehow get the First Baptist Church involved in this conversation?   

[Cheshire Cat]

Can we somehow get the First Baptist Church involved in this conversation?   

No Ron, we can't!  lol

[AngryMuffin]

Ron here is the thing about the liberal asshole agenda... they use religion as a wedge to peel off people into believing their bullshit. A lot of people - myself included are atheists (I am actually a born again atheist) they paint religious people as evil hell bent on destroying all the great stuff in life; speeding, whoring around, drinking, rock music and the demon weed. 

I bought into this bullshit. But then I started noticing that there are a whole lot of religious people that I really like personally. In fact the religious people that I know and like are among the nicest, most responsible, highest quality people that I know.  Good jobs.  Good families. Well educated great kids. Bedrock people.  But then I had Bill Maher telling me that these people were stupid, evil, had an agenda to destroy my lifestyle etc.

Here is what I realized; religious people wasted time doing stupid stuff on Sunday mornings and believed in stuff I didn't. Other than that these people on the whole - pretty good people.  And while the lefties were trying to paint them as the cause of the world's problems I realized that they weren't and aren't the problem after all.

Before someone calls me an evil conservative; I want drugs to be legalized, government funded abortions and the last time I set foor in a church it was a funeral.

Can we somehow get the First Baptist Church involved in this conversation?   

[Cheshire Cat]

^Interesting pieces to be sure.  What I am trying to come to balance with is what is happening beyond the rhetoric.  In Jacksonville at least some of the crimes being committed that place Blacks as the victims also have Blacks as the perp.  The stats I have seen in the past when working with those working on the issue of crime and prevention have pointed to a great deal of crime between Blacks that statistically is higher than other races when population is factored in.  Like the 09 area code.  I do believe that there is a great influence when it comes to poverty and environment as Ennis mentioned and look forward to more input about that.  But there is something else going on as well.  During ride alongs with the JSO I have have witnessed many incidents where citizens call each other the "n" word with venom and they are all of the Black race.  I have also seen flareups over the shade of Black one happens to be and value associated with one another based on degree of color.  That is something that tells me at least that this may go beyond economics and toward something unspoken and painful in the Black psyche.  Please know and accept me at my word that I am not laying down judgments but rather sharing ideas and experiences that have mostly come through my deep associations with members of the Black community.  I simply want to understand so that there can be healing and clarity of thought where needed in our community and society in general.

[AngryMuffin]

Sorry man I must have missed it.  You're right I was.  I just like arguing with him.  I don't know why.  I do have to credit the dude.  If I was running a message board and some smart ass was giving me a beat down on it I'd probably ban him or delete his posts.  On the other hand I'm driving up engagement and advertising impressions... so...

What did you say?  Irreverence aside.  I'd love to know your opinion.

Here is the problem with this thread.  I didn't see a single solution, opinion or guess what is causing this problem and what can be done to stop it.

Blah blah blah.  So much talking about nothing.  Everyone knows black people kill a lot of other black people.  Everyone (who is living in the real world) knows that young black males commit a lot more crime per capita than any other race.  Great. So you've spent two pages talking about stuff everyone already knows.  Known facts.

-- Why does this demographic commit so much violent crime?

-- What can the rest of society do to slow it down?

AngryMuffin, I've already answered both of those questions.  You ignored both in that long Zimmerman thread to go back and forth trading pot shots with Stephendare instead.

[thelakelander]

I had some causes and solutions in there.  I'll have to go into that thread and dig it out of there.

[Cheshire Cat]

Well, perhaps it is too soon to talk solutions when discussing an issue that is this important.  We have a ways to go in understanding and coming to conclusions if there are any to be had.  I know this is the age where everyone want's what they want now.  But real life takes real time when deciding on things of importance.

[AngryMuffin]

I'll go look for it.  I went to bed before you posted.  Or Steve's orange shirt distracted me.

I had some causes and solutions in there.  I'll have to go into that thread and dig it out of there.

[I-10east]

Huge protests and demonstrations with over 8,000 in NYC yesterday and last night and no arrests.  Demonstrations in Hemming Plaza, no arrests.  That is how they can say peaceful.  It is just civilians exercising their first amendment.

Some of these 'civilians' apparently think that it's okay to exercise their 'right' to assault a particular group of people. The Baltimore Sun already reported that a Hispanic man was attacked by blacks shouting "For Trayvon". Also their was some violence in Mississippi with someone (I believe a white man) being thrown out of a car. Expect a lot more violence. The race baiters won't be happy until George's head is on a stake....

[JeffreyS]

Or in reality AM you are completely wrong.  My liberal ass is in church most Sundays. You have certainly read Stephen's support of religion on this site. There are lots of different people making up the groups known as liberal and conservative. Do you think the Hispanics who have been voting for the more liberal party are anti religion? 

Anyway enjoy this glimpse into the real world.

[sheclown]

Someone may have already posted this, but here:

Another trial involving a Florida man who fatally shot an unarmed black teen
By Eric W. Dolan
Monday, July 15, 2013 19:55 EDT
Murder suspect Michael Dunn (Screenshot)
Topics: Jordan Davis ♦ Michael David Dunn ♦ Ron Davis

CNN's Ryan Smith on Monday highlighted an upcoming trial in Florida that is eerily similar to the Trayvon Martin case. In both cases, an unarmed 17-year-old black male was left dead.

"I'm not an eye for an eye type person where I think he should be killed," Ron Davis, the father of Jordan Davis, told CNN. "I don't believe in capitol punishment. I believe every life is precious. You took my son's life. That doesn't mean anybody else should take his life. I think he should spend the rest of his life in prison because of the fact that you have to think about what you've done not only to Jordan but to his family, his friends, people that cry for him every day."

Michael David Dunn, 45, told police he shot and killed Davis at a gas station last year because he feared for his life. Dunn had told Davis and his friends to turn down their loud music. He claimed the situation escalated and the teens began threatening him. Dunn started shooting because he thought they had a shotgun.

"It was either a barrel or a stick but, sir, they're like we're going to kill you and then they said, 'you're dead [expletive removed].' What I should have done was put the car in reverse, but that shotgun come up or whatever it was – fight or flight – and I don't think there was time for flight at that moment because I was going to get shot," he told police.

Dunn fled the scene, but was arrested the next day.

Dunn, who faces a first-degree murder charge and three attempted murder charges, plans to invoke Florida's controversial "Stand your ground" law in his defense. The law allows gun owners to use deadly force without the "duty to retreat" first if they feel their life is endangered.

http://www.youtube.com/v/LT_6LFuVkZw?list=UUupvZG-5ko_eiXAupbDfxWw

[JayBird]

Huge protests and demonstrations with over 8,000 in NYC yesterday and last night and no arrests. Demonstrations in Hemming Plaza, no arrests.  That is how they can say peaceful.  It is just civilians exercising their first amendment.

Some of these 'civilians' apparently think that it's okay to exercise their 'right' to assault a particular group of people. The Baltimore Sun already reported that a Hispanic man was attacked by blacks shouting "For Trayvon". Also their was some violence in Mississippi with someone (I believe a white man) being thrown out of a car. Expect a lot more violence. The race baiters won't be happy until George's head is on a stake....

There has not been an arrest in Baltimore yet, so keeping it in context with what I had written they can technically still assert peaceful protest.  And according to Baltimore Sun, it wasn't part of any demonstration.

Tensions have run high, and Baltimore police said Monday they are investigating an alleged beating of a Hispanic man that, according to a witness, came at the hands of a group of black youths who were saying "This is for Trayvon" while they attacked him. Police, who have urged residents to respond peacefully, reported no incidents at the protests.http://touch.baltimoresun.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-76681129/

I couldn't find the Mississippi case, which is why it is helpful when you post a link to where you get your info, but I am sure it has been embellished.

[sheclown]

Stevie Wonder pledged not to play in Florida until the "Stand Your Ground" law is repealed.

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[JayBird]

Someone may have already posted this, but here:

Another trial involving a Florida man who fatally shot an unarmed black teen
By Eric W. Dolan
Monday, July 15, 2013 19:55 EDT
Murder suspect Michael Dunn (Screenshot)
Topics: Jordan Davis ♦ Michael David Dunn ♦ Ron Davis

CNN's Ryan Smith on Monday highlighted an upcoming trial in Florida that is eerily similar to the Trayvon Martin case. In both cases, an unarmed 17-year-old black male was left dead.

"I'm not an eye for an eye type person where I think he should be killed," Ron Davis, the father of Jordan Davis, told CNN. "I don't believe in capitol punishment. I believe every life is precious. You took my son's life. That doesn't mean anybody else should take his life. I think he should spend the rest of his life in prison because of the fact that you have to think about what you've done not only to Jordan but to his family, his friends, people that cry for him every day."

Michael David Dunn, 45, told police he shot and killed Davis at a gas station last year because he feared for his life. Dunn had told Davis and his friends to turn down their loud music. He claimed the situation escalated and the teens began threatening him. Dunn started shooting because he thought they had a shotgun.

"It was either a barrel or a stick but, sir, they're like we're going to kill you and then they said, 'you're dead [expletive removed].' What I should have done was put the car in reverse, but that shotgun come up or whatever it was – fight or flight – and I don't think there was time for flight at that moment because I was going to get shot," he told police.

Dunn fled the scene, but was arrested the next day.

Dunn, who faces a first-degree murder charge and three attempted murder charges, plans to invoke Florida's controversial "Stand your ground" law in his defense. The law allows gun owners to use deadly force without the "duty to retreat" first if they feel their life is endangered.

http://www.youtube.com/v/LT_6LFuVkZw?list=UUupvZG-5ko_eiXAupbDfxWw

Slightly different case as there are over 20 eyewitnesses listed by the defense, a recorded phone call from one of the juveniles that were in the car and video footage from security cameras.  I'm sure there is more that hasn't been released yet and shouldn't be because the case needs to be tried in a courtroom first. The problem with Zimmerman was no one really knows what happened except for him which leaves a lot of room for interjection.  What will be interesting about this case is if Stand Your Ground applies to being in public what constitutes the feeling of danger.  That would mean if I was trying to park my truck at OP Mall and someone took the spot I was waiting for, I can shoot them and claim Stand Your Ground?  Very scary thought if this case affirms SYG.

[I-10east]

I couldn't find the Mississippi case, which is why it is helpful when you post a link to where you get your info, but I am sure it has been embellished.

To me whether this violence is from an 'official' Treyvon rally or not is irrelevant; Bottomline people are being assaulted by this scum making Treyvon a martyr to 'justify' their heinous actions. Of course the liberal media has no interest in these assaults because 'everything is okay'. These MSNBC 'progressives' should be known as regressives, with their constant lies and race-baiting;  They set the entire country back thirty years! Thanks MSNBC, and the rest of the liberal media, thanks....SMH

Mississippi- www.wreg.com/2013/07/15/man-claims-attack-was-trayvon-retaliation/