NSA Collecting Phone Records of MILLIONS of Verizon Customers Daily

[BridgeTroll]

http://www.youtube.com/v/-isKhdB9jYo


Are you calling him a liar?  Two presidents in a row!  Unless you got Bill in there also... are ya gonna go for 4?

[BridgeTroll]

http://www.youtube.com/v/-isKhdB9jYo


Are you calling him a liar?  Two presidents in a row!  Unless you got Bill in there also... are ya gonna go for 4?

[bill]

Back when people like Robert Byrd were actually talking about the real Constitution, all of you ridiculed anyone who spoke out for American principles in favor of your partisan hysteria.

Perhaps you were too busy coming up with harebrained rationales about Health Care being 'unconstitutional' to care about the real problems going on in this country.

http://www.youtube.com/v/yxWfawiufK0

Was that Byrd talking about his membership in the KKK or his strong opposition against the 1964 civil rights movement?

[Lunican]

It is strange that all of a sudden we are no longer cheering for this stuff. This is great news but it might be a little late.

[bill]

Back when people like Robert Byrd were actually talking about the real Constitution, all of you ridiculed anyone who spoke out for American principles in favor of your partisan hysteria.

Perhaps you were too busy coming up with harebrained rationales about Health Care being 'unconstitutional' to care about the real problems going on in this country.

http://www.youtube.com/v/yxWfawiufK0

Was that Byrd talking about his membership in the KKK or his strong opposition against the 1964 civil rights movement?

Just cant forgive him for retiring the hood and robes, can you bill?

You are the one espousing him

[BridgeTroll]

It is strange that all of a sudden we are no longer cheering for this stuff. This is great news but it might be a little late.

by six years.  Its literally stomach churning to read some of these newfound believers.

Stuff?  Kinda vague Dan.  If you are refering to Prism... yeah... Until I know more... Not sure I am for it.  The metadata telephony thing looks like it is what most thought it was... and has been legal for quite awhile...

[Lunican]

I thought that everyone was already aware of the NSA's spying activities. It actually wasn't a huge secret. They were touting their new data centers a few years ago.

The NSA’S SPY NETWORK
Once it’s operational, the Utah Data Center will become, in effect, the NSA’s cloud. The center will be fed data collected by the agency’s eavesdropping satellites, overseas listening posts, and secret monitoring rooms in telecom facilities throughout the US. All that data will then be accessible to the NSA’s code breakers, data-miners, China analysts, counterterrorism specialists, and others working at its Fort Meade headquarters and around the world. Here’s how the data center appears to fit into the NSA’s global puzzle.

He explains that the agency could have installed its tapping gear at the nation’s cable landing stationsâ€"the more than two dozen sites on the periphery of the US where fiber-optic cables come ashore. If it had taken that route, the NSA would have been able to limit its eavesdropping to just international communications, which at the time was all that was allowed under US law. Instead it chose to put the wiretapping rooms at key junction points throughout the countryâ€"large, windowless buildings known as switchesâ€"thus gaining access to not just international communications but also to most of the domestic traffic flowing through the US.

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/2/

[Shwaz]

I thought that everyone was already aware of the NSA's spying activities. It actually wasn't a huge secret. They were touting their new data centers a few years ago.

The NSA’S SPY NETWORK
Once it’s operational, the Utah Data Center will become, in effect, the NSA’s cloud. The center will be fed data collected by the agency’s eavesdropping satellites, overseas listening posts, and secret monitoring rooms in telecom facilities throughout the US. All that data will then be accessible to the NSA’s code breakers, data-miners, China analysts, counterterrorism specialists, and others working at its Fort Meade headquarters and around the world. Here’s how the data center appears to fit into the NSA’s global puzzle.

He explains that the agency could have installed its tapping gear at the nation’s cable landing stationsâ€"the more than two dozen sites on the periphery of the US where fiber-optic cables come ashore. If it had taken that route, the NSA would have been able to limit its eavesdropping to just international communications, which at the time was all that was allowed under US law. Instead it chose to put the wiretapping rooms at key junction points throughout the countryâ€"large, windowless buildings known as switchesâ€"thus gaining access to not just international communications but also to most of the domestic traffic flowing through the US.

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/2/

Agreed... read about this months ago

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/all/

The spring air in the small, sand-dusted town has a soft haze to it, and clumps of green-gray sagebrush rustle in the breeze. Bluffdale sits in a bowl-shaped valley in the shadow of Utah’s Wasatch Range to the east and the Oquirrh Mountains to the west. It’s the heart of Mormon country, where religious pioneers first arrived more than 160 years ago. They came to escape the rest of the world, to understand the mysterious words sent down from their god as revealed on buried golden plates, and to practice what has become known as “the principle,” marriage to multiple wives.


Today Bluffdale is home to one of the nation’s largest sects of polygamists, the Apostolic United Brethren, with upwards of 9,000 members. The brethren’s complex includes a chapel, a school, a sports field, and an archive. Membership has doubled since 1978â€"and the number of plural marriages has tripledâ€"so the sect has recently been looking for ways to purchase more land and expand throughout the town.

But new pioneers have quietly begun moving into the area, secretive outsiders who say little and keep to themselves. Like the pious polygamists, they are focused on deciphering cryptic messages that only they have the power to understand. Just off Beef Hollow Road, less than a mile from brethren headquarters, thousands of hard-hatted construction workers in sweat-soaked T-shirts are laying the groundwork for the newcomers’ own temple and archive, a massive complex so large that it necessitated expanding the town’s boundaries. Once built, it will be more than five times the size of the US Capitol.

Rather than Bibles, prophets, and worshippers, this temple will be filled with servers, computer intelligence experts, and armed guards. And instead of listening for words flowing down from heaven, these newcomers will be secretly capturing, storing, and analyzing vast quantities of words and images hurtling through the world’s telecommunications networks. In the little town of Bluffdale, Big Love and Big Brother have become uneasy neighbors.

[BridgeTroll]

It even has a visitors center...lol

[Lunican]

Once the communications are intercepted and stored, the data-mining begins. “You can watch everybody all the time with data- mining,” Binney says. Everything a person does becomes charted on a graph, “financial transactions or travel or anything,” he says. Thus, as data like bookstore receipts, bank statements, and commuter toll records flow in, the NSA is able to paint a more and more detailed picture of someone’s life.

The NSA also has the ability to eavesdrop on phone calls directly and in real time. According to Adrienne J. Kinne, who worked both before and after 9/11 as a voice interceptor at the NSA facility in Georgia, in the wake of the World Trade Center attacks “basically all rules were thrown out the window, and they would use any excuse to justify a waiver to spy on Americans.” Even journalists calling home from overseas were included. “A lot of time you could tell they were calling their families,” she says, “incredibly intimate, personal conversations.” Kinne found the act of eavesdropping on innocent fellow citizens personally distressing. “It’s almost like going through and finding somebody’s diary,” she says.

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/all/

[bill]

Back when people like Robert Byrd were actually talking about the real Constitution, all of you ridiculed anyone who spoke out for American principles in favor of your partisan hysteria.

Perhaps you were too busy coming up with harebrained rationales about Health Care being 'unconstitutional' to care about the real problems going on in this country.

http://www.youtube.com/v/yxWfawiufK0

Was that Byrd talking about his membership in the KKK or his strong opposition against the 1964 civil rights movement?

Just cant forgive him for retiring the hood and robes, can you bill?

You are the one espousing him

Yes I admire people who can admit the error of their ways and work as hard as Byrd did to mend them. 

When it becomes politically expedient. You a big fan of George Wallace also?

[ben says]

Disclaimer: I have not read the past 5 pages of posts.

I will say this: the only surprising thing about this whole mess is that people are surprised...and acting shocked!

Is this kind of stuff not the logical conclusion, if not necessity, of the predicate laid by the Patriot Act (which so many on this forum, and elsewhere, were rah-rah-ing?)..

[ben says]

America, the Passive..by Salon

http://www.salon.com/2013/06/07/america_the_passive/

[NotNow]

I am somewhat flabbergasted, but not really surprised, to see that illegal acts which appear to be violating the fourth amendment perpetrated by the Federal Government are...all my fault (according to "those who will not be questioned").  I am just now trying to get my head around how the IRS targeting conservative groups with government power is somehow OK "because a Republican was in charge".   

Abuse of power, even criminal acts,  and the deaths of diplomats....this administration takes no responsibility and is not held accountable by many in the media and many private citizens as we see in these pages.  These are indeed dangerous times.

[NotNow]

Don't worry, it was really just a few low level employees in the Cincinnati office.  Nothing to see here, move along.  I'm familiar with your talking points.

And the subject of this thread is really old news.  Everybody knew about it, right?  It's Bush's fault. 

Elections really do matter, don't they?