ESPN Reports Tebow to Jags

[Bridges]

And BTW, Kenfsu, I didn't say we had low attendance, but those omnipresent fans would fill in ANY gaps in seating we've got for a season or two... By then his offer expires.

Again, no, they wouldn't

"Tim Tebow's first NFL game in Jax was with the Broncos in 2010, a game that had 63,636 tickets distributed. That year, the Jags averaged 63,032 in ticket sales across all games. When the Jets came to town this year, 67,027 tickets were sold. Though the 2012 average was 64,984, again, I'm conceding here and using the numbers of tickets sold and not an actual turnstile count. Fans on both sides (Jags fans and solely Tebow fans) don't actually go to the game for some reason or the other. Also, note that for the Bears game 67,012 tickets were sold, and for the Christmas Eve Eve Patriots game 70,251 tickets were sold.

But I'll just assume that the nearly 600 tickets in 2010 and about 2000 tickets in 2012 over the average are all as a direct result of Tebow, for argument's sake. Even if this is true, these numbers just aren't high enough to make a significant impact. 9,703 seats are currently covered by the tarps. Even taking the higher number of tickets sold from the Jets game, you would need about a 385% increase in (4.85 times as many!)"

[Wacca Pilatka]

And BTW, Kenfsu, I didn't say we had low attendance, but those omnipresent fans would fill in ANY gaps in seating we've got for a season or two... By then his offer expires.

I don't think you're taking account of which seats are going unsold.  It's predominantly the upper level club seats on one side of the stadium.  I very much doubt that fickle fans are going to shell out for those more expensive seats. 

And even if they show up, they create an unbelievable disturbance and slander the team any time anything goes wrong for their boy.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

The problem is his fans' omnipresence.

BINGO

And BTW, Kenfsu, I didn't say we had low attendance, but those omnipresent fans would fill in ANY gaps in seating we've got for a season or two... By then his offer expires.

I still don't believe that his fans would make even a dent in the ticket sales department. 

Jersey sales?  Sure.   But those proceeds get split 32 ways.  I know!!!!!  Why doesn't the NFL require every team to sign him to a minimum 2 month contract?  All of his regionally challenged, vapid fans could start buying jerseys by the truckload....  The NFL makes money, all 32 teams make money, everyone gets a Tebow Jersey in their favorite team color...   GD I'm a genius today!  This is most definitely a win-win-win.

[KenFSU]

Ken,

Didn't you do a pretty intensive study on the Jags attendance v/s market size v/s stadium size?

Yes. I don't have the exact numbers in front of me, but when the Jags entered the league, I believe the NFL's average stadium capacity to MSA population ratio was something like 3.5%. In other words, the average NFL stadium had 35,000 seats for every 1,000,000 in population. Median was closer to 25,000 seats for every 1,000,000 in population. Jacksonville's ratio was more than double the mean ratio, and over triple the median. I believe it was 8.3%. To put that in perspective, if Jacksonville had built a stadium in line with the rest of the league, the proper configuration would have been between 23,000 (built to median ration) and 28,000 (built to mean). Ridiculous, of course, but no more ridiculous than setting NFL capacity at nearly 77,000 for a market of less than a million. Even after the tarps were added, Jacksonville still had the highest ratio in the league. Jacksonville struggles to sell out the stadium because it should struggle to sell out the stadium. In regards to per capita attendance, season after season Jacksonville (along with Buffalo) enjoys the highest per capita attendance in the NFL. Attendance as a percentage of market size is ridiculously high.

In short, all things considered, it is not a disgrace, but a borderline miracle that Jacksonville averages 62,000+ in NFL attendance.

[Rynjny]

Evenifhesreleased.com

[Debbie Thompson]

Ohmigosh.  Would someone please euthanize this thread?  It would be a mercy killing.  A jury would never convict!

[Rynjny]

I love Tebow as a person but don't force him to the Jaguars, cause he's worst than Gabbert.

[Ocklawaha]

Rynjny, agreed, thats why he'd only get minimum wage... whatever the hell that is in football.

As for the poor turnout at the game he played in, his diehard fans were there - part of the mass, but the other 88,548 (the size of The Swamp) were pissed off because:

1. He is from JAX and playing in a Denver uniform

2. We didn't draft him and the 88,548 felt betrayed by our team

I don't think you get where I'm coming from, the team needs a home pride perk up after a few dismal seasons, and Tebow could give us the positive PR boost we need in the highly critical of anything JAX national press. 'Home boy done good...' etc. The trick would be a balance between a very basic pay offer and the longevity of the boost.

BTW, While I love the idea of our NFL presence, I'm hardly a rabid football fan, they are however, good for the city.

[Wacca Pilatka]

I don't think you get where I'm coming from, the team needs a home pride perk up after a few dismal seasons, and Tebow could give us the positive PR boost we need in the highly critical of anything JAX national press. 'Home boy done good...' etc. The trick would be a balance between a very basic pay offer and the longevity of the boost.

It won't be a positive PR boost.

The national media covers Tebow a lot, and often talks him up because he drives TV ratings, but no one seriously thinks of him as an NFL quarterback. 

Every time they speak of Tebow to Jacksonville, the sometimes explicit, though more often implicit, comment they are making is "This city is a minor-league town that can't handle pro sports and is foolish enough to think that this guy can succeed as an NFL quarterback.  I bet they're so desperate that they'll bid against themselves to get him!"

Tebow is used as a bludgeon to ridicule Jacksonville.  REPEATEDLY.  Signing him only furthers that ridicule in the national press.

Bringing him in will make the majority of actual Jaguars fans angry and will only satiate the people I described upthread who are exactly NOT the kind of fans one wants to have - the "Sign this one guy and recognize his brilliance or we'll actively root for the hometown team to move to another city!" crew.

Alienating a proud and loyal base while throwing a bone to people who don't care if Jacksonville gets embarrassed is not the way to build hometown pride.

Tebow's salary has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with this.

By the way, for the past 10 seasons we employed a guy named Rashean Mathis, who is from Jacksonville, is a Christian and involved in local charities, and for several of those years played at a very high level.  The local media ignored him.  The idea that Tebow is unique because he is Christian, local, or charitably inclined is FRAUDULENT.

[Bridges]

As for the poor turnout at the game he played in, his diehard fans were there - part of the mass, but the other 88,548 (the size of The Swamp) were pissed off because:

1. He is from JAX and playing in a Denver uniform

2. We didn't draft him and the 88,548 felt betrayed by our team

Ah, I see.  Already making excuses.  It will NEVER be Tim Tebow's fault.  That's one thing his fans have made perfectly clear. 

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

Rynjny, agreed, thats why he'd only get minimum wage... whatever the hell that is in football.

His best offer to date is $75/game with Omaha Beef

As for the poor turnout at the game he played in, his diehard fans were there - part of the mass, but the other 88,548 (the size of The Swamp) were pissed off because:

1. He is from JAX and playing in a Denver uniform

2. We didn't draft him and the 88,548 felt betrayed by our team

Just stop.  The turnout for his game was far from poor.  All the Tebowites think that his presence alone would fill a stadium twice the size of Everbank, but the facts just aren't there to substantiate.  How many of the 88,548 fans get free student tickets to go to the swamp, BTW?  How's their turnstile been since the Messiah has left?

I don't think you get where I'm coming from, the team needs a home pride perk up after a few dismal seasons, and Tebow could give us the positive PR boost we need in the highly critical of anything JAX national press. 'Home boy done good...' etc. The trick would be a balance between a very basic pay offer and the longevity of the boost.

Again.  Just stop.  If you want a solid PR boost, win 9-10 games a season and compete weekly.  If you want a single game type PR boost, give out Blackmon Coozies to the first 10k fans that show up. 

The real 'trick' would be for Tebow to complete more than just over 1/2 his passes and be able to see wide open receivers downfield.   If he could do that, they're wouldn't be this discussion in the first place, he would still be on a team.... someone's team......  anyone's team......   He's not.  You want to know the kicker?  The Jets are paying him NOT TO PLAY or even BE ON THEIR TEAM!  How's that for talent assessment?

[JeffreyS]

I wish the Raiders would just sign him already.

[FSBA]

http://www.havethejaguarssignedtebowyet.com/

[copperfiend]

Beautiful

[duvaldude08]

http://www.havethejaguarssignedtebowyet.com/

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