Prosecutions Coming for Global Warming Deniers?

[gatorback]

Gee Stephen, talk about buzz killer.  you're taking all the fun out.

[Charleston native]

Here is a link to the source of all the disagreement.
http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/ar4-wg1.htm

It is the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's latest report on the scientific basis of Global Warming.

That's right, Stephen. Set the argument up where the foundation is already affirmed on MMGW's behalf, therefore making it the law, or "the Bible" from which all knowledge of this phenomenon is derived. Even though the IPCC has been discovered to be corrupted by government and policy makers who merely want to expand government and power. Nice try.

It is the most conservative gold standard of the Global Warming hypothesis.

"Conservative"? Maybe if you get most of your MMGW paranoia from the far-left, environmental whacko sites. This is just laughable...I'm sorry, but it is.

In keeping with the main subject of this thread, I'm waiting for the cops to come to my door for prosecution of being a "denier".

[gatorback]

OK.  Let me ask you this Charleston.  When New Orleans is off the map and is basically beach front, will you then agree that "something" is up?  That humans have caused this "Whatever?"

[BridgeTroll]

Thanks Bridge!

Ok, Im going to see if I can distill your position from the post you left...

Please change or add to it in any way necessary to make the statement accurately represent your position.

Let me take the bait... While I am not a denier perhaps I can be called a skeptic.  I am open minded enough however to be open to the facts and being persuaded provided we stick to factual arguments and keep the name calling so often found on this site to a minimum.

Change may very well be occurring, possibly, but due to natural causes such as long term weather cycles, solar activity, and the gradual warming that has been occurring may be because we are still coming out of the last ice age which may be a good explanation for the signs of warming we are presently observing.

Several spurts of warming have occurred in the past, such as the medieval warming period. Ice at the poles is a relatively new thing for planet earth.  Granted it has been there since humans came on the scene but you will agree that humans are a relatively new creature to this planet.

I am not convinced by the evidence at this time that the pace of warming or climate change either caused by, nor accelerated by the introduction of new gasses in the air which change the proportional gas composite called the atmostphere arising from the activities of Humanity.

I can blame some of my skepticism on the hysteria surrounding global cooling that was touted as fact a few decades ago.  The popular opinion seems to be inflated to hysteria and a sense of doom, which I do not share.

There seems to be plenty of contradictory evidence about the role of CO2, particularly, as a contributor to the  acceleration in warming the atmosphere, and whether or not the amount of carbon produced by industry and man made activities is a contributing factor to warming.

I made one change as indicated by italics... I would like to add that our measurable history of climatology is very limited and in my view very innaccurate.  Modern techniques for the measurement of temperatures and pressures and other observable factors have only been standardized in the last century or so.  This is hardly enough history to base what a "normal temperature" or climate should be.

[Charleston native]

No, gator, and it would be foolish to even suspect so. That region probably should never have been developed as a large city...maybe rice farms would've sufficed, I don't know. If I was looking for a site for the city, the current location of Covington might have been better.

Even if GW was indeed happening and we lost NO because of it, it would be foolhardy to think we could have prevented it. The city is a mixture of bad planning, lack of foresight, and man constantly trying to fight off the dynamics of God's creation. As BridgeTroll has stated, this is a dynamic planet with ever-changing weather, oceans, and land.

[gatorback]

Even if the ice core samples, which are proof, state otherwise?

[BridgeTroll]

Even if the ice core samples, which are proof, state otherwise?

And what do they prove... exactly?

[gatorback]

I'll bite.  Why don't you tell me what they prove. 

[RiversideGator]

OK.  Let me ask you this Charleston.  When New Orleans is off the map and is basically beach front, will you then agree that "something" is up?  That humans have caused this "Whatever?"

Call me when this happens.   

[gatorback]

Charleston.  Please review the following webiste.  The site won a webby by the way.  Other then that, it's the NSF Office of Polar Programs.  This is just the Year in Review section.  Would you even consider the work they sponsor and the vast discoveries of their principles proof?

http://www.nsf.gov/discoveries/disc_summ.jsp?cntn_id=111049&org=OPP

[Midway ®]

Well River, maybe he has been inundated with work at the hamburger grill.

Incidentally Stephen, just because I refuse to take your bait AND refuse to rehash old arguments spent ad nauseum with this subject doesn't mean this is my last post here, so please quit trying to project your intentions and implications as mine.

Yes, as a matter of fact, I have. In addition to the regular members of the"quarter ton club" that frequent our establishment, we have had an influx of newly unemployed mortgage brokers, bankers, health care workers, financial planners, builders, real estate lawyers, SUV salesmen and other assorted hangers on of the "new economy" who all crave our high fat, high sugar, high carbohydrate, salty, crunchy and strangely satisfying and filling comestibles on the cheap.

The ongoing economic collapse has offered a panoply of opportunity in the "budget consumer nutrition industry", wherein your craving for that 3000 calorie meal can be satisfied for a mere $3.99!

Thank you all for supporting the Bush initiatives that have led to this state of affairs, it is now boom time!

I look forward to the US Government bailout of Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac as I am sure that the assumption of that additional several trillion in debt will further devalue the dollar, thereby compelling more people than ever to dine at our establishment for their "night out". Hope to see you there soon, charleston & river.

And river, may I suggest the following for your avitar:

[gatorback]

OK.  Let me ask you this Charleston.  When New Orleans is off the map and is basically beach front, will you then agree that "something" is up?  That humans have caused this "Whatever?"

Call me when this happens.   

What's the number down there?  Lol.  Cuz that's where you'll be when it happens.  Just kidding.  You must be one of those "if the tree falls in the woods and there's nobody around it doesn't make a sound kind of guy."

Lenton's research group surveyed climate and glacial experts around the world and the consensus is that the recent evidence shows that rising temperatures will soon reach the Greenland Ice Sheet's "tipping point", where it will break up within 300 years, raising sea levels by seven metres and flooding millions out their homes long before the year 2300.

[RiversideGator]

Well River, maybe he has been inundated with work at the hamburger grill.

Incidentally Stephen, just because I refuse to take your bait AND refuse to rehash old arguments spent ad nauseum with this subject doesn't mean this is my last post here, so please quit trying to project your intentions and implications as mine.

Yes, as a matter of fact, I have. In addition to the regular members of the"quarter ton club" that frequent our establishment, we have had an influx of newly unemployed mortgage brokers, bankers, health care workers, financial planners, builders, real estate lawyers, SUV salesmen and other assorted hangers on of the "new economy" who all crave our high fat, high sugar, high carbohydrate, salty, crunchy and strangely satisfying and filling comestibles on the cheap.

The ongoing economic collapse has offered a panoply of opportunity in the "budget consumer nutrition industry", wherein your craving for that 3000 calorie meal can be satisfied for a mere $3.99!

Thank you all for supporting the Bush initiatives that have led to this state of affairs, it is now boom time!

I look forward to the US Government bailout of Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac as I am sure that the assumption of that additional several trillion in debt will further devalue the dollar, thereby compelling more people than ever to dine at our establishment for their "night out". Hope to see you there soon, charleston & river.

And river, may I suggest the following for your avitar:

[RiversideGator]

OK.  Let me ask you this Charleston.  When New Orleans is off the map and is basically beach front, will you then agree that "something" is up?  That humans have caused this "Whatever?"

Call me when this happens.   

What's the number down there?  Lol.  Cuz that's where you'll be when it happens.  Just kidding.  You must be one of those "if the tree falls in the woods and there's nobody around it doesn't make a sound kind of guy."

No, I am the kind of guy who demands strong evidence before reordering society to prevent a problem which is not exactly certain to occur.   

[gatorback]

Right.  So what you’re doing is asserting some sort of “Privilege” that the rest of the planet is not "privy" to.  You "invoke" this    without regard to the body of evidence that mankind has come to understand….Perfect!  Doesn’t this sound like Bill Gates argument as to why he’s not an industrial predator/monopolist?  Wow.  It’s all making sense now.  You’ll never get it just like Bill and Martha, both which have either gone to jail for months or paid hundreds of millions of dollars because the they just don't get it."   But, we're glad you get it.  Bravo!  Way to assimilate current understandings.