Prosecutions Coming for Global Warming Deniers?

[gatorback]

Straw man argument again Stephen.  Lol.  Just kidding.  I think this atlantic hurrican season will cause people to take a step back and say, you know what, maybe there's some truth to this Global Climate Change thingy after all.  I mean, this season is way busy and so soon early too.

If an above normal hurricane season (which may happen this year) proves global warming, then why does a below normal hurricane season (the past two seasons) not disprove global warming?  Cant have it both ways.  Either both do or both do not prove/disprove the GW theory.

Nobody said it didn't.     Isn't that the deal with Global Climate Change...bizzaro wild swings in either direction?  But, let's cut to the chase.  What is it going to take for you to change your mind?

[RiversideGator]

Sustained warming outside the norms of at least the past several thousand years for an extended period of time. 

I am willing, BTW, to go to nuclear power in a huge way regardless of whether or not GW is real.  And, if the GW crowd was really concerned with CO2 emissions, they would be all over nuclear.  Oh and Al Gore would not be riding in private jets and limos and heating the pool in his huge mansion with natural gas.  As it stands now, it appears that they are more concerned with using the GW hype for their ulterior purposes.

[Charleston native]

Indeed. I'm also for nuclear power, regardless if MMGW is real or not.

The bottomline is that I wish many of these vain people would realize if GW was not man-made, there's nothing they can do to change it. Just like we can't change the course of a hurricane or tornado. Just like we can't control when a volcano erupts.

[gatorback]

Gatorback, are you serious or kidding?

Yes I'm serious.  Remember, it was snowing a few weeks back and they opened up a skiing in CO while the heat was killing in the midwest...that's wacked dude. 

[Charleston native]

Um, when I lived out west, many locals said that it does snow in April and May...and it has for years.

In Cheyenne, WY, it has snowed in June.

That's not "wacked"...that's normal for that region.

Call me when it starts snowing in South Carolina in May.

[Charleston native]

Revelation 11:18
If you don't understand the context I will try to enlighten you....

Hey avon, where do you get your theology? Why don't you read the entirety of Revelation 11 before using one verse as a misinterpretation to satisfy your desires for pro-capitalists to be destroyed? Your interpretation and use of that verse is WAAAAAAAY off: Revelation 11 is a prophecy of the two witnesses that will serve God during The Tribulation, and your verse in particular is talking about the nations who morally and emotionally destroyed the earth. That verse is hardly a future depiction for those who drill for oil.

I'm late on this argument, but it needed to be addressed. Stephen, it's pointless to further this battle with you, and I will not make my argument based on liberal premises, because the premise itself is disingenuous.

Bottomline, I believe that we are not in control of this world, and for any man or woman to think so is utter vanity and foolishness.

[BridgeTroll]

ok fine, river, and charleston.

we can at least use the statement as a starting point.

Please edit it to accurately state your argument.

here it is again:

Climate Change is occurring, possibly, but due to natural causes such as long term weather cycles, solar activity, and the gradual warming that has been occurring since the end of the last ice age.

Several spurts of warming have occurred in the past, such as the medieval warming period.

IN no way is the pace of warming or climate change either caused by, nor accelerated by the introduction of new gasses in the air which change the proportional gas composite called the atmostphere arising from the activities of Humanity.

CO2, particularly is non contributory to an acceleration in warming the atmosphere, and certainly the amount of carbon produced by industry and man made activities is not a contributing factor to warming.

Let me take the bait... While I am not a denier perhaps I can be called a skeptic.  I am open minded enough however to be open to the facts and being persuaded provided we stick to factual arguments and keep the name calling so often found on this site to a minimum.

Climate Change is occurring, possibly, but due to natural causes such as long term weather cycles, solar activity, and the gradual warming that has been occurring since the end of the last ice age.

Change may very well be occurring quite possibly for the reasons you cited above.  There is plenty evidence to support this...I do know however that many climatologists do agree that we are still coming out of the last ice age.

Several spurts of warming have occurred in the past, such as the medieval warming period.

Absolutely... in addition... Ice at the poles is a relatively new thing for planet earth.  Granted it has been there since humans came on the scene but you will agree that humans are a relatively new creature to this planet.

IN no way is the pace of warming or climate change either caused by, nor accelerated by the introduction of new gasses in the air which change the proportional gas composite called the atmostphere arising from the activities of Humanity.

Quite possibly... I am not convinced by the evidence at this time.  I can blame some of my skepticism on the hysteria surrounding global cooling that was touted as fact a few decades ago.  Regardless... I do not share the "sky is falling" attitude of many.

CO2, particularly is non contributory to an acceleration in warming the atmosphere, and certainly the amount of carbon produced by industry and man made activities is not a contributing factor to warming.

Once again... there seems to be plenty of contradictory evidence.  I clearly think we can do more to prevent belching all pollutants into our atmosphere to improve quality of life for all.

Stephen... I took the bait because I think these discussions need to continue... in a thoughtful, factual manner.  Perhaps common ground can be reached even though certain parties disagree...

[Charleston native]

Stephen, did you even read my last post entirely?

If you recall, we've been through this territory before, and I've answered your questions about my stance on climate change. Why do you continue to plod through this like a broken record?

[Charleston native]

Stephen, the world you live in must truly be amazing, especially when you make wild claims suggesting fraudulent charts from River, that in itself a lie. Is living on lies a fulfilling experience, or is the constant acting like a self-important pseudo-intellectual perpetuated with liberal lies an exquisite art of fulfillment for you?

You definitely live true to one mantra: keep repeating the lie, and it will eventually sound like truth.

[RiversideGator]

Midway has never proven that any chart or information I posted was incorrect.  I also notice that your little friend has been strangely absent from the scene lately.  Perhaps he was frustrated by his inability to prove that any of his GW beliefs are true.   

[Charleston native]

Well River, maybe he has been inundated with work at the hamburger grill.

Incidentally Stephen, just because I refuse to take your bait AND refuse to rehash old arguments spent ad nauseum with this subject doesn't mean this is my last post here, so please quit trying to project your intentions and implications as mine.

[gatorback]

I'm thinking when New Orleans is off the map, we'll have a few more deniers on our side.

[Charleston native]

You see, you need to read my posts more carefully and you would have seen that earlier. That would've have prevented my response about regurgitating my argument. River has also made similar arguments, but I'll let him explain it fully. I've mentioned my argument before in other threads, too.

I guess that is the crux of my argument. Much evidence supports it, especially since it deals with the sun.

People don't like feeling helpless. They like to think they are in control, and we have all learned through the years that control is an illusion.

Good night, gatorback. What do you expect from a city that is built below sea level?! Even the fricking native Indians thought it was utterly stupid to build a city on that land.

You Climate Changers are really...interesting.

[RiversideGator]

Why dont you accurately state your position and let him accurately state his.

[BridgeTroll]

I'm thinking when New Orleans is off the map, we'll have a few more deniers on our side.

The earth is not and never has been static.  The landforms we are familiar with now will be and have been different.  This is an everchanging and dynamic planet.