There doesn't seem to be a solution to the city's violence

[thebrokenforum]

A spate of violence takes its toll on city

By day’s end, the tally of Jacksonville homicides would jump from 73 to at least 77 for the year. Jacksonville had recorded 80 homicides by the same time last year and 88 by the same date in 2006.

http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/072108/met_307042743.shtml

With Chicago calling in the National Guard it sure makes you wonder if that's a possibility here. Is every year going to be like this now??Geez...

[Driven1]

yes - and 40 additional police officers - or 300 additional police officers is not going to dramatically decrease the crime rate - unless all of them are put in these high-crime areas.  but even then, that is a temporary solution.   and i think it would only decrease the crime a little.  like putting a plastic cap over a full-pressure, gushing water hose.  it's gonna pop off eventually.

high crime is here to stay.  we all know it starts in the home.  and you can't force people to stop having children and you can't force them to be good parents when they do.  because of this, the high crime is here to stay.

[thebrokenforum]

IMHO 40 new cops is a JOKE.

the high crime is here to stay.

If that's true then it does not bode well for the future of this city. You can build all the IMAX theaters you want...welcome to South Detroit.

[Jason]

Strict policing can certainly have its impact.  Isn't that how Giulianni made his name in New York?  I'd say things are a bit better there now.

[Eazy E]

high crime is here to stay.  we all know it starts in the home.  and you can't force people to stop having children and you can't force them to be good parents when they do.  because of this, the high crime is here to stay.

God I used to hate the. for lack of a better term, 'family argument' on crime.  Then I taught public high school.  Responsible, dedicated parents, who actually want and love their children, are the fist step to reducing our city's number of criminals.

[thebrokenforum]

Isn't that how Giulianni made his name in New York?  I'd say things are a bit better there now.

That's a good point and yes they are better now...but Giullianni and Peyton are about as unlike each other as I can imagine.

[Eazy E]

Strict policing can certainly have its impact.  Isn't that how Giulianni made his name in New York?  I'd say things are a bit better there now.

But what about people who just don't care about going to jail? You cannot scare someone who doesn't care about his own life by threatening him with a jail sentence.

[thebrokenforum]

But what about people who just don't care about going to jail?

It seems like Duval has a very large population of people with that exact mind set.

[Jason]

True.  But I also think that humans thrive on discipline, order, and process.  If our species thrived on chaos then this world would look entirely different.

Those repeat offenders can eventually be broken if the system rids itself of the slack that allows them to keep offending.  Just like the troubled teen that get sent off to the military and come back a productive and well adjusted member of society.  That system needs to start in the home to effect the long run, but in the short term, strict policing (when applied properly) can reduce crime rates significantly.  That said, I don't think Mayor Peyton is enough of a hard ass (like Guilianni) to be able to pull it off.

[thebrokenforum]

Police will release more details at 2 p.m. about a deadly Jacksonville police shooting that ended a bloody Sunday in which three other people were killed in random attacks and another is clinging to life.

Chief Rick Graham of the Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office will hold a press conference this afternoon about the day’s violence.

Meanwhile, an anti-crime activist sounded a familiar call this morning for the community to step up and do more to stop the violence. Donald Foy, president of the local chapter of MAD DADS, blamed the rampant crime primarily on disputes involving gangs, drugs and turf.

http://news.jacksonville.com/justin/2008/07/21/police-expected-to-release-more-on-officer-involved-shooting-today-crimefighter-speaks-out-against-continued-violence/

Every time something like this happens we get 1.) a press conference 2.) mad dads 3.) lots of unanswered questions. Wash, rinse and repeat.

[BridgeTroll]

Police will release more details at 2 p.m. about a deadly Jacksonville police shooting that ended a bloody Sunday in which three other people were killed in random attacks and another is clinging to life.

Chief Rick Graham of the Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office will hold a press conference this afternoon about the day’s violence.

Meanwhile, an anti-crime activist sounded a familiar call this morning for the community to step up and do more to stop the violence. Donald Foy, president of the local chapter of MAD DADS, blamed the rampant crime primarily on disputes involving gangs, drugs and turf.

http://news.jacksonville.com/justin/2008/07/21/police-expected-to-release-more-on-officer-involved-shooting-today-crimefighter-speaks-out-against-continued-violence/

Every time something like this happens we get 1.) a press conference 2.) mad dads 3.) lots of unanswered questions. Wash, rinse and repeat.

Number 3 is the biggest problem.  People know who do these crimes... they simply do not want to "rat them out".  They know who the thugs are on their street.  They know who are the gang bangers... they do not tell the police.  The police ask the correct questions but if the folks in the 'hood dont want to divulge the people commiting the crimes then not much can be done...

[Driven1]

again - it is here to stay.  take temporary stop-gap measures if you'd like, but the problem is here to stay.  it's no longer news.  it is just another characteristic of Jax.... like beaches, the river, the bridges, the high crime rate.  i think it is better to accept it because again:

we all know it starts in the home.  and you can't force people to stop having children and you can't force them to be good parents when they do.

[thebrokenforum]

That's pretty defeatist though isn't it? Had Giullianni shrugged his shoulders NYC would resemble "Escape From New York" by now...which is the direction we're heading in. 

[Driven1]

That's pretty defeatist though isn't it? Had Giullianni shrugged his shoulders NYC would resemble "Escape From New York" by now...which is the direction we're heading in. 

i think it is more realistic than defeatistist.

[Steve]

Looks like Peyton's Jacksonville Journey is wildly popular:

Talkback Opinion Poll
Will Mayor Peyton's crime initiatives stop the violence in Jacksonville?

Yes  4.8%

No  95.2%

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