Was Hart Expressway Messy Overkill?

[thelakelander]

[fieldafm]

The southbound Hart Bridge side has only one lane without the ramp; Where is the other lane gonna come from to form two lanes? That ramp IS a part of the Hart Bridge, if the ramp comes down, than so does the entire bridge which won't happen.

You may want to google what those big steel structures above the bridge are used for so you understand the engineering a little better.  The load supporting the over water span is not supported in the same way as the load on the concrete elevated highway. 

[I-10east]

If reasonable discussions about the possibilities of fixing inherent issues in our community anger you so much, why do you keep reading? 

Apparently me having reasonable, likely, and realistic thoughts concerning this ramp matter angers you so much. Gotta love the old 'if you don't agree in unison with MJ, get out' mentality.

[I-10east]

You may want to google what those big steel structures above the bridge are used for so you understand the engineering a little better.  The load supporting the over water span is not supported in the same way as the load on the concrete elevated highway. 

Field, you are way offbase, I don't even know what you're taking about. I was referring to the ACTUAL existing design of the Southbound side of the bridge. Keep on wishing for the luxury hi rises to replace your most hated landmark...

[Pinky]

If reasonable discussions about the possibilities of fixing inherent issues in our community anger you so much, why do you keep reading? 

Apparently me having reasonable, likely, and realistic thoughts concerning this ramp matter angers you so much. Gotta love the old 'if you don't agree in unison with MJ, get out' mentality.

I don't think "reasonable, likely and realistic" thoughts are the problem here friend..  However, the blind anger and vitriol you spew in place of those "reasonable, likely and realistic thoughts" dont really do much to advance the conversation. 

[I-10east]

^^^Example?? Blind Anger & vitriol? Sounds pretty harsh. I guess that it's okay for someone to give me the biz, but I'm supposed to remain humble always just because you disagree with me, right?

[I-10east]

^^^I'm not saying that everyone on MJ shares the 'our way or the highway' but some people elude to comments like that. For example"Why do you keep reading?" and I was just calling it out.

Man, regurgitating tiresome posts for YEARS and YEARS is like being in an asylum or something; I dunno what people see in it, but whatever floats the repeaters boats ( I can't wait until a new store is announced in the SJTC) *sigh* 

[Ocklawaha]

Duval has 712 bridges of which 104 are seriously deficient. Ramp structures such as the Bay Street connector to the Hart or the Overland Bridge are defective due largely to carbonization. The results of this carbonization causes the rebar to erode away, leaving you with a lot of unsupported concrete. I've been meeting with the engineers for the Overland Bridge project and confirmed this is exactly what has happened on the Southbank. I suspect the same would be true for the Bay Street connector to the Hart as it traverses the old WWII shipyards and the soil is no doubt contaminated with carbon and other exotic chemicals.



I-10East hasn't a clue about the bridge quality because that quality is not found in the 'ride' but in the structure itself. I'm starting to think that we could fill the Laura trio with dog shit and I-10 would be telling us its a great idea because after all, it's OUR dog shit.

[I-10east]

^^^So you're giving me a lil' of the 'blind anger and vitriol' Ock? I take it that you're a structural engineer that can confirm that ramps structure since I can't huh? Wow, it's really pathetic all of the hate that many have for a freaking ramp, which has land underneath that will more than likely always be owned by the DOT anyway, just sad... 

[thelakelander]

I can't wait until a new store is announced in the SJTC) *sigh*

Expect this soon.  I'm pondering the addition of a monthly Southside construction update to the mix.

[tufsu1]

^^^Oh, so tear down some road, and add some also that surely makes sense. Yall keep dreaming of the waterfront condos that will soon replace that ramp. Try visiting cities in the Northeast to know what's deficient. 

talk to Portland, Milwaukee, and San Francisco....and the newest cities to explore the concept: Baltimore and New Orleans

[I-10east]

I got a bright idea! Maybe I can intentionally bore yall out of far-fetched and ultra-tiresome redundant posts by making a 'Ramp' and 'SJTC parking' thread every single month; Unfortunately they still will get alot of comments...

[I-10east]

^^^Well I guess that the the words 'professorial' and 'redundancy' are synonyms. I don't think that it takes a professorial to have a reasonable conversation, and I don't consider myself an one-dimensional person stuck in a football realm. I just don't think that ramp is going anywhere anytime soon, and what professorial can tell me that I'm totally wrong?

[thelakelander]

^I think everyone agrees that the ramp isn't going anywhere anytime soon.  However, there will come a time, within most of our lifetimes, when the ramp will either have to be rebuilt or taken down.

[Ocklawaha]

^^^So you're giving me a lil' of the 'blind anger and vitriol' Ock? I take it that you're a structural engineer that can confirm that ramps structure since I can't huh? Wow, it's really pathetic all of the hate that many have for a freaking ramp, which has land underneath that will more than likely always be owned by the DOT anyway, just sad...

I'm not a structural engineer, however as a transportation consultant I HAVE been working directly with the engineers on the Overland Bridge Project and am very familiar with the problem these structures have anywhere the soil is contaminated with carbon.

It just gets very tired to point out a deficiency and suggest a fix (to make the city better) and then have you all over the threads going freaking nuts because someone identified a problem in Jacksonville. Had you not identified a serious communications problem at an early age you'd still be using 'goo goo' as part of your vocabulary. Likewise for a city to grow and mature we MUST identify problems right down to the nuts and bolts so as not to see a repeat of the Minneapolis bridge collapse here in Duval. Your knee jerk reaction to virtually any constructive conversation is consistently over the top.

BTW, Lake, the ramp is in poor shape and scores rather low in the national inventory.