Seismologists found guilty of manslaughter... Really?

Started by BridgeTroll, October 23, 2012, 08:17:35 AM

BridgeTroll

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn22412-seismologists-found-guilty-of-manslaughter.html

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Seismologists found guilty of manslaughter
18:45 22 October 2012 by Michael Marshall




Six Italian seismologists, and a local civil protection official, have been sentenced to six years in prison for manslaughter.

They have been convicted of falsely reassuring the residents of the town of L'Aquila that a major earthquake was not going to happen. But the area was struck by a magnitude-6.3 earthquake on 6 April 2009. More than 300 people were killed and thousands were left homeless.

In the light of the verdict, New Scientist takes a look at what happened, and the science of earthquake prediction.

Can we predict earthquakes?
In short, no. Despite decades of research, we do not have a reliable way of predicting when and where an earthquake is going to happen with any accuracy.

That's not to say we don't have any information. Clearly, places like the Pacific Rim are more prone to earthquakes than, say, western Europe. High-risk regions tend to be on the boundaries of continental plates, or near cracks in the plates, known as fault lines.

Seismologists can track the frequency and size of earthquakes in different parts of the world and use the data to make rough statistical forecasts of the likelihood of future quakes (Geophysical Journal International, DOI: 10.1111/j.1365-246X.2012.05521.x). This allows regions that are likely to experience a big quake in the next few decades to prepare generally  â€" for instance by strengthening buildings.

But the statistical forecasts are vague, and can span decades, says Roger Musson of the British Geological Survey in Edinburgh, UK. A truly useful prediction would be something like: "Next week, there will be an earthquake in Geneva of a magnitude greater than 6.5." That would allow for planned evacuations and other emergency measures. At the moment, nobody can make such precise, timely predictions.

But wasn't the L'Aquila quake predicted in advance?
In the run-up to the main earthquake, two things happened. First, there was a series of small shocks. These caused concern, because they could have been "foreshocks": small quakes that come before a large one.

The trouble is, such small quakes often peter out without leading to a big one, and sometimes big quakes aren't preceded by foreshocks. In the case of L'Aquila, big quakes in the area tended not to have foreshocks, Musson says. So although a big quake was obviously possible, there was no particular reason to think one was coming.

The situation was muddied further by predictions by Giampaolo Giuliani, a researcher at the Gran Sasso National Laboratory in Abruzzi, Italy. Giuliani drove around the town with a megaphone encouraging people to evacuate. He also posted warnings online, but was forced to take them down  â€" all of which fanned the emotional flames, says Musson.

After the quake struck, Giuliani claimed he had been vindicated. But Musson disagrees. Giuliani had detected radon gas seeping up from underground. Radon emissions are sometimes seen in the run-up to earthquakes, and may be an indicator that a quake is coming. But like all other prediction methods, radon is unreliable  â€" partly because many other phenomena also release it.

In fact, Giuliani got the location of the earthquake wrong, says Musson. "He was recommending that people evacuate areas that were undamaged [in the event], into areas that were damaged. If people had paid attention, the casualties would have been worse."

So what did the six seismologists that have been charged do?
They spoke at a public meeting on 31 March 2009 â€" a week before the quake â€" organised by Italy's Civil Protection Department. At the meeting, they said that while they could not rule out a major quake, and it was best to be prepared, there was no particularly good reason to think that one was coming.

Afterwards, the department's deputy head Bernardo De Bernardinis told the media that the small shocks were reducing the seismic stresses, lowering the chances of a major quake. "That's completely wrong," Musson says.

This statement, according to the prosecution, gave false confidence to the inhabitants of L'Aquila. This may be true. However, Musson says, "I haven't been able to work out why the other six are being held responsible".

Don't some scientists claim to be able to predict earthquakes?
There are all sorts of claims, but none has proved reliable. It has been suggested that earthquakes are preceded by rises in temperature or pulses of electromagnetic radiation. Under-sea quakes may give themselves away by making the crust more prone to quakes caused by the rise and fall of the tides. Some have even claimed that animals can sense earthquakes in advance, and behave oddly as a result.

These claims are often based on case studies of single earthquakes, and do not stand up to statistical scrutiny. Musson says there doesn't seem to be a single phenomenon that reliably precedes an earthquake.

Have there been any cases of successful predictions?
The only occasion when an earthquake prediction has led to a successful evacuation happened in China in 1975. A magnitude-7.3 quake hit Haicheng, and was predicted based on a series of foreshocks, among other things. China was deep into the Cultural Revolution, so information is hard to come by, but there do seem to have been successful evacuations (Bulletin of the Seismological Society of America, DOI: 10.1785/0120050191).

At the time, the Chinese authorities boasted of their success. Their claims of earthquake prediction were undermined the following year when the magnitude-7.8 Tangshan earthquake struck, killing over a quarter of a million people  â€" the deadliest quake of the 20th century.

Given that, Musson says, the Haicheng prediction was "more good luck than judgement".
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

Jason

This is a scary precedent, IMO.  Maybe we should put Tim Deegan and Mike Buresh on trial for ruining million dollar weddings or for not predicting a pop-up thunderstorm and lightning that killed a golfer due to faulty forcasting....


Jason

....oh and great work Italy for running off any and all seismologists that dedicate their lives to studying earthquakes.  Hopefully your local Tarot Card lady hasn't become rusty with her predictions.

Bativac

My wife's from Italy. There's a reason her mother fled the small, beautiful village she was from. Italy is like a third world country kicking and screaming against being dragged into the modern era.

ben says

Quote from: Bativac on October 23, 2012, 11:39:24 AM
My wife's from Italy. There's a reason her mother fled the small, beautiful village she was from. Italy is like a third world country kicking and screaming against being dragged into the modern era.

My wife's from Sicily. Most of her family is still there. I've notice what you've noticed....while it is in the Euro Zone, the people are very set in their archaic ways. I don't fault them...it's their archaic ways that introduced the world to such good food (cured meats! cheeses! pasta!), music (bocelli! vivaldi! verdi!), art (da vinci! raphael! michelangelo!), culture (vespas, espresso, pasta for a first course!), etc.

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In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

Bativac

Quote from: ben says on October 23, 2012, 12:21:03 PM
My wife's from Sicily. Most of her family is still there. I've notice what you've noticed....while it is in the Euro Zone, the people are very set in their archaic ways. I don't fault them...it's their archaic ways that introduced the world to such good food (cured meats! cheeses! pasta!), music (bocelli! vivaldi! verdi!), art (da vinci! raphael! michelangelo!), culture (vespas, espresso, pasta for a first course!), etc.

I don't fault them either, until they start putting scientists in prison for manslaughter because of an earthquake!

Adam W

Remember how they handled the Amanda Knox case? (Or, to be fair, the investigation of the murder of Meredith Kercher).

They ballsed that up amazingly. The Italian judicial system is pretty fucked up. Not all European countries are created equal in that respect. The way the McCann family was treated by the Portuguese authorities was mind-boggling, too.

That said, the USA misses the mark, plenty. I remember seeing a made-for-TV movie about Scott Peterson killing Lacy Peterson while he was awaiting trial. Freedom of the press is one thing, but there is no way that guy was ever going to get a fair trial when there were movies on network TV showing him murdering his wife and disposing of the body.


Tacachale

Quote from: Adam W on October 23, 2012, 01:33:30 PM
Remember how they handled the Amanda Knox case? (Or, to be fair, the investigation of the murder of Meredith Kercher).

They ballsed that up amazingly. The Italian judicial system is pretty fucked up. Not all European countries are created equal in that respect. The way the McCann family was treated by the Portuguese authorities was mind-boggling, too.

That said, the USA misses the mark, plenty. I remember seeing a made-for-TV movie about Scott Peterson killing Lacy Peterson while he was awaiting trial. Freedom of the press is one thing, but there is no way that guy was ever going to get a fair trial when there were movies on network TV showing him murdering his wife and disposing of the body.



Not to mention how the Meredith Kercher case ended. Knox and Sollecito's conviction was overturned on appeal, but Knox was sentenced to time served for "calumny". So basically, two people were found guilty of seriously BS charges, but it's okay because at least they didn't have to serve their entire BS sentence. And since one of them committed an additional BS offense while facing the original BS charges, her three years in prison is acceptable as fait accompli. What a ridiculous legal system.

I have to imagine something similar will happen with these scientists; they'll get out on appeal and the Italians will largely think it's okay.
Do you believe that when the blue jay or another bird sings and the body is trembling, that is a signal that people are coming or something important is about to happen?

Adam W

Quote from: Tacachale on October 23, 2012, 01:50:54 PM
Quote from: Adam W on October 23, 2012, 01:33:30 PM
Remember how they handled the Amanda Knox case? (Or, to be fair, the investigation of the murder of Meredith Kercher).

They ballsed that up amazingly. The Italian judicial system is pretty fucked up. Not all European countries are created equal in that respect. The way the McCann family was treated by the Portuguese authorities was mind-boggling, too.

That said, the USA misses the mark, plenty. I remember seeing a made-for-TV movie about Scott Peterson killing Lacy Peterson while he was awaiting trial. Freedom of the press is one thing, but there is no way that guy was ever going to get a fair trial when there were movies on network TV showing him murdering his wife and disposing of the body.



Not to mention how the Meredith Kercher case ended. Knox and Sollecito's conviction was overturned on appeal, but Knox was sentenced to time served for "calumny". So basically, two people were found guilty of seriously BS charges, but it's okay because at least they didn't have to serve their entire BS sentence. And since one of them committed an additional BS offense while facing the original BS charges, her three years in prison is acceptable as fait accompli. What a ridiculous legal system.

I have to imagine something similar will happen with these scientists; they'll get out on appeal and the Italians will largely think it's okay.

It's shocking, really. People make a big deal about all that Pussy Riot stuff in Russia, but this wasn't that far off. At least not that calumny stuff.

ben says

Quote from: Bativac on October 23, 2012, 01:07:21 PM
Quote from: ben says on October 23, 2012, 12:21:03 PM
My wife's from Sicily. Most of her family is still there. I've notice what you've noticed....while it is in the Euro Zone, the people are very set in their archaic ways. I don't fault them...it's their archaic ways that introduced the world to such good food (cured meats! cheeses! pasta!), music (bocelli! vivaldi! verdi!), art (da vinci! raphael! michelangelo!), culture (vespas, espresso, pasta for a first course!), etc.

I don't fault them either, until they start putting scientists in prison for manslaughter because of an earthquake!

Quite true, my friend, quite true.

Albeit, I'm the first to admit I have no idea about the circumstances surrounding this case...were the scientists grossly negligent? Was there a coverup involved? Collusion?*





*Again, haven't read shit on this case...I'll look now.

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