More Layoffs at JSO

[ben says]

^LOL, it's really amusing hearing a lawyer call other people a "bloated part of the machine".

Lawyers sell a service that is a consequence of basic supply and demand principles....if someone needs a service, they go to an attorney. As Chris pointed out...not too sure attorneys are to blame for that. Have you read the news? Attorneys are having just as many problems post-2008 as anyone else.

Cops are employed at artificially high numbers because they can....paper pushers, community officers, HR personnel, etc...emphasis on enforcing low end property based crimes vs violent crimes....

So, yeah, I'd call the police force "bloated" and definitely "part of the machine."

[peestandingup]

^LOL, it's really amusing hearing a lawyer call other people a "bloated part of the machine".

Cops are employed at artificially high numbers because they can....paper pushers, community officers, HR personnel, etc...emphasis on enforcing low end property based crimes vs violent crimes....

So, yeah, I'd call the police force "bloated" and definitely "part of the machine."

And that machine requires to constantly be fed. That young man who stole $8 worth of books is a prime example. Having a bad upbringing, a product of shitty education, or just being poor in general. The system likes this, because it sets people up for it. If those people weren't there, it couldn't eat. Its similar to people joining the military (out of financial reasons). Who needs a draft when you've got more poor people & uneducated than you can shake a stick at??

Anyways, it really has nothing to do with "rehabilitated" as much as it is a modern form of the slave trade (blacks & whites, it doesn't matter). Like "Red" said in Shawshank. "It's just a bullshit word. A politician's word, so that young fellas like yourself can wear a suit and a tie and have a job."

So getting cops involved in something like that was probably not the right way to go because it just threw him into it. I'm sure Ron knows this, but he might not have been thinking of it at the time. So I'm not saying Ron was in the wrong for doing what he did.

And no, just FYI for everyone, I'm not saying don't punish people for certain crimes. Just to be conscious of it & learn to separate the bullshit from actual real harmful crimes, taking into consideration we're all human beings & there may be underlying reasons why a person did the things that they did. Not all of them because a person is "bad". And getting them thrown into the system usually does more harm than good in the grand scheme of things.

[ben says]

^Couldn't agree more

[NotNow]

What I said was that the procedures for arrest are the same for everyone, and that is true.  It appears that you guys have a really negative view of the police and JSO in particular.  In reality, most Officers are not involved in traffic calls and write relatively few citations.  I know that I only wrote the most outlandish drivers out there and most cops I know do the same. 

I wont comment on the assumptions made about the "lives" of blacks or the "bullshit" citations.  Personal experiences are just that.  I will repeat that if you don't want the police...just don't call them.  The police don't write the laws, set the incarceration times, or make or apply fines.  They simply  enforce the law.  As for a "bloated" force, the JSO is waaaayyyyy below the national and state averages for Officers per capita.  Just as their pay and pension are well below any other major Florida city.  That's the facts, Jack.

[If_I_Loved_you]

What I said was that the procedures for arrest are the same for everyone, and that is true.  It appears that you guys have a really negative view of the police and JSO in particular.  In reality, most Officers are not involved in traffic calls and write relatively few citations.  I know that I only wrote the most outlandish drivers out there and most cops I know do the same. 

I wont comment on the assumptions made about the "lives" of blacks or the "bullshit" citations.  Personal experiences are just that.  I will repeat that if you don't want the police...just don't call them.  The police don't write the laws, set the incarceration times, or make or apply fines.  They simply  enforce the law.  As for a "bloated" force, the JSO is waaaayyyyy below the national and state averages for Officers per capita.  Just as their pay and pension are well below any other major Florida city.  That's the facts, Jack.

http://www.indeed.com/salary/q-Police-Officer-l-Florida.html   http://www1.salary.com/FL/Police-Sergeant-salary.html#JD

[cityimrov]

I will repeat that if you don't want the police...just don't call them.  The police don't write the laws, set the incarceration times, or make or apply fines.  They simply  enforce the law.  As for a "bloated" force, the JSO is waaaayyyyy below the national and state averages for Officers per capita.  Just as their pay and pension are well below any other major Florida city.  That's the facts, Jack.

Police officers don't even enforce the law.  There's enough laws in the book that anyone can be put in jail if the police strictly enforced the laws.

The police's main job is to somehow keep the peace.  This peace is broken by the same people they work for.  It's an impossibly hard job.  Some in the force who can't handle it. 

Voters vote for politicians who then create laws which cause people to act in ways like peestandingup describes.  Then the voters demand the police take care of the mess that they created because of the laws they created though the politicians they vote for. 

When your job involves cleaning other people's messes and then hearing people loudly proclaim on TV about new messes they are going to make, won't that make you a bit crazy?